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Obama’s toothless foreign policy

March 19, 2014

By an overwhelming margin, voters in the Crimea region of Ukraine agreed Sunday to separate and establish an independent nation....

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Zorromcgee

Mar-20-14 5:01 PM

So entering 2 wars with nations that did not attack us was a better policy? And maybe you should ask Bin Laden and Ghadfi how toothless our policy is. This is another in a long line of poorly thought out editorials.

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deerhunt

Mar-20-14 6:23 PM

I think the article is about what is happening currently , we can go back in history and pick apart Democrats and Republicans alike. Never ceases to amaze me that if anybody disagrees with Obama policy it reverts back to racism or Bush. The current president does not seem to be changing Putin's policy in any way.As a matter of fact Putin seems to be laughing at him.

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Auntydem

Mar-20-14 8:35 PM

Was looking forward to reading the strong, effective proposals that would be outlined at the end, but there was nothing. No clue what to do?

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svensota

Mar-20-14 9:23 PM

Congratulation, Journal editorial staff. This is, possibly, the most inept piece you've published yet.

No understanding of what is going on, no understanding of what is being done, no understanding of what can be done, no understanding of the history of the area of the internal politics of the Russian Federation.

A perfect zero.

An "F" for foreign affairs.

Rattle your saber and salute the flag.

Way to go!

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Avoice

Mar-20-14 9:51 PM

Hey look at the positive. President Obama has probably picked the right teams in the NCAA brackets.

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EaglesFan

Mar-21-14 1:24 AM

As if Republican foreign policy has proven much better. How many lives and how many trillions of dollars did we spend in Iraq and Afghanistan?

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deerhunt

Mar-21-14 7:48 AM

Aunty , I'll take a try at it. First in Afghanistan and Iraq I would have us leaving the countries without leaving some residual base or presence. Bush and Congress both approved these wars, when we leave without having a base or presence in the absence of a true democracy then we should have never gone in like we did. Instead we should have gone in ,accomplished the mission and left. Once we took time to rebuild the nation for them we were vested and need to see it through to the end no matter how unpopular it may be .Otherwise all the peoples lives ,injuries ,time away from their families is wasted. As far as Russia we have been playing second fiddle to Putin ever since Obama took office. We have let him take the lead in Syria , and now it seems the weapons are not being removed as they thought. We should have maintained the lead and overseen the removal, no we are just a passenger on the train to nowhere. Crimea ,Putin has learned by our leaving Iraq and Afghanistan that we have .

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deerhunt

Mar-21-14 7:57 AM

no stomach for any confrontation anymore. The United Nations is considered weak at best. We should get the Missile defense system back on board in Europe immediately. When Obama removed it ,that was another sign of weakness on our part. Obama's threats 3 weeks before he imposes financial sanctions on Russia leaders was also a mistake. You don't tell them 3 weeks in advance of what you are going to do , I'm sure they had removed all money that was at risk in that time frame. We have been playing nice with Russia and they are taking it for weakness. Even with our stance on Iran they see us as weak ,Iran will have a nuclear weapon and we will have done nothing to stop it. War is not an easy decision ,but sometimes taking care of a problem early on makes it a lot easier than dealing with the mess later on , like Hitler .I am not for war ,but the downsizing of the military and trying to be friends with everyone will cost us later. We are being seen as becoming weak.

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deerhunt

Mar-21-14 8:02 AM

I am curious - what is the Democrats solution to this problem? The Republicans haven't created the illusion of weakness abroad ,using Bush for your example - he was considered to have a hair trigger on the gun , wanting to unleash the forces on anyone. This weakness has started under Obama , he is the one who needs to fix it , the longer he portrays weakness the more situations like this will come up. I'm still waiting for him to close down Gitmo, I thought that was job # 1 when he took office in 2008.

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Zorromcgee

Mar-21-14 9:27 AM

Deerhunt-what did bush do that showed strength if after we leave it just goes back to what it was? And he did nothing to remove the leaders-look at who got Bin Laden and ghadafi-so what should Obama do-send more americans to die in a country that has not attacked us?

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deerhunt

Mar-21-14 9:55 AM

OK , for those of you disagreeing with me , what is the Democrats(Obama's) ideas, Putin is rolling all over us , actually laughing at us(literally ). The United Nations is toothless , the European nations are dependent on oil from Russia. I guess your idea is to just bury our heads in the sand and hope it all goes away. This is an exact replay from Hitler's book ,he sensed weakness and took advantage of it. I am not saying Putin will turn into another Hitler , but he will take over whatever he sees as belonging to Russia at will. Remember , Russia and China both have million man armies, we will have 450,000. Looks like we are going to take a back seat to these situations until they actually affect us. That's a dangerous game ,all of a sudden your opponent has grown into something so large you no longer have any power ,control or options. You can definitely see that Putin thinks Obama is a joke. What is Obama's next play , remember Bush is retired.

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deerhunt

Mar-21-14 10:03 AM

Zorro , I have never said to go to war with Russia. Sanctions should have been widespread and immediate .The missile defense system in Europe never should have been abandoned ,should be fast tracked immediately. The U.N should be invoking sanctions and have been putting forces in Crimea, with directions to hold the area they are in, without violence unless fired upon. The U.N. should pull Russia's seat at the U.N. until they remove their troops. If we are not willing to do these steps than Obama should quit even talking about it because than we don't consider it that important. His comments and sanctions are making us look weaker than doing nothing.

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Avoice

Mar-21-14 12:02 PM

Zorro, over the past year, the Russians have sent many ships and long range bombers to various countries in Latin America - namely Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua with Russia's Defense Ministry planning bases in those countries. Russia's Security Team is discussing military ties to those countries. Iran has established 11 additional embassies in Latin America. China has had joint military exercises in Latin American countries. Meanwhile you praise President Obama's NCAA bracket selections and his sanctions of taking away their Disneyland passes. You go to war to win peace and democracy and all we have per this president is a disgraceful withdrawal with no peace or democracy. JMHO.

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Avoice

Mar-21-14 12:03 PM

Zorro, over the past year, the Russians have sent many ships and long range bombers to various countries in Latin America - namely Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua with Russia's Defense Ministry planning bases in those countries. Russia's Security Team is discussing military ties to those countries. Iran has established 11 additional embassies in Latin America. China has had joint military exercises in Latin American countries. Meanwhile you praise President Obama's NCAA bracket selections and his sanctions of taking away their Disneyland passes. You go to war to win peace and democracy and all we have per this president is a disgraceful withdrawal with no peace or democracy. JMHO.

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Avoice

Mar-21-14 12:06 PM

Sorry about the double post. My machine or the Journal hiccupped. Anyway that will give you all a chance to double your agree or disagrees.;<)

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Zorromcgee

Mar-21-14 12:30 PM

avoice-well I guess when you have no valid point you must resort to outright lies. "You go to war to win peace and democracy" Is this not akin to having sex to promote virginity?

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Zorromcgee

Mar-21-14 12:31 PM

deer so if we have missiles in germany it is then ok for russia to have them in cuba? Or is hypocrisiy your argument?

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deerhunt

Mar-21-14 2:06 PM

Zorro , we will follow your lead , what is it?

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Zorromcgee

Mar-21-14 2:26 PM

deer-I am not going to determine foriegn policy- I don't have all the facts to do so-and neither do you-if you are such an expert on this'run for office and share your expertice with the world. But simply sitting on the sidelines consistantly saying "Obama bad" is useless. This situation is far from over-so far not one american has lost their life in this situation-too bad we cannot say the same about GOP foreign policy. We did not intervene when the red army took the ukraine/crimea in 1920-why does it seem like a good idea to you now?

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Avoice

Mar-21-14 6:42 PM

Zorro - that last sentence of your post to me is far south of being intelligent. Maybe you should read up a little on past world wars and have that knowledge available.

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Avoice

Mar-23-14 6:46 PM

Zorro, you stated when I did not have a valid point, I resorted to lies. Tell me what lies I posted.

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JReader

Mar-24-14 10:21 AM

Simple question - Would this Putin spawned aggression be happening if Reagan were in office right now ?

I say "no".

If you disagree state why you believe it wouldn't make any difference.

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Zorromcgee

Mar-27-14 12:30 PM

Avoice-you quoted me as saying "Meanwhile you praise President Obama's NCAA bracket selections and his sanctions of taking away their Disneyland passes." since I did not say anything like that-it is a lie to say I did.

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Zorromcgee

Mar-27-14 12:31 PM

JR-so you are saying we had toothless leaders when the red army took the ukraine in 1920?

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Zorromcgee

Mar-27-14 12:35 PM

avoice-ukraine has been fought over by russia since the 1600's-tell me "(1654) Russian army seized Smolensk, Thirteen Years War started between Russia and Poland over Ukraine " was this Obamas fault also?

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