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Above the law?

January 5, 2014

President Barack Obama has made it clear over and over again, frequently in wholesale changes and complete reversals of health care law provisions, that he considers the law of the land something he......

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tbonenu

Jan-06-14 6:08 AM

WHAT!!!!!

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svensota

Jan-07-14 12:52 AM

"Imperial presidency?"

Oh, you're talking about Nixon, right?

Or, Cheney/Bush II?

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Integrity

Jan-07-14 8:19 AM

As long as they did it first, it's ok to stomp the constitution that established the separation of power and requires due process??? What's he going to do next, fire Judge S. for delaying his health care initiative after he appointed her??

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JReader

Jan-07-14 8:36 AM

Obama issued more executive orders in his first term than George W. Bush did in both of his terms. Both Kennedy & Carter issued more than Nixon. But hey, who's counting ? It's quality not quantity - right Sven ?

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svensota

Jan-07-14 11:27 AM

JR: Yes, but Obama's executive orders are kinder and nicer and more swell. Whereas, Nixon's and Cheney/Bush's were mean and devious and more nasty.

So, you're right, JR, it is the quality not the quantity. Good for you that you understand that subtle point.

I'm sure you meant well by defending Nixon and Cheney/Bush, as they are upstanding models for all presidents to follow.

Keep up the fine analysis.

And, remember, I'm here to help you.

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JReader

Jan-07-14 12:12 PM

Yes, why waste time debating things like immigration reform when Barry has it all figured out and can make it happen with a stroke of a pen. Who needs a democracy when we have a guy like him in charge who can think better for all of us than we can think for ourselves - "if you like your plans you can keep them". Well, not really because Barry already decided these plans weren't worth keeping and he wanted you to buy something more expensive. I can see where you must think Barry is such a breath of fresh air, Sven. I realize how thinking for yourself is such a difficult task it must be so refreshing to have a leader that does all of it for you.

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japanviking

Jan-07-14 12:19 PM

JReader here are the total amount of Executive Orders by your referenced Presidents: George W. Bush Term 1: 173 Term 2: 118 Total: 291 John F. Kennedy Total: 241 Jimmy Carter Total: 320 Richard Nixon: Term 1: 247 Term 2: 99 Total: 346 Barack Obama Term 1: 147 Term 2: 14 Total (To Date): 161 So what does this tell us? You are either misinformed, or an outright liar. Why don’t you check your fact before throwing out totally false information? I guess it could be because your are following the lead of the Republican Party which is if you tell the same lie over and over and over again pretty soon people will believe it. Sources: ***********factcheck****/2012/09/obamas-executive-orders/ ***********presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

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svensota

Jan-07-14 1:41 PM

My goodness, these numbers that japanviking provided cast doubt on JR's assertions.

Somehow you thinking for yourself, JR, only confuses you more and more. Perhaps you should just let President Obama handle everything for you because you obviously can't get the numbers right.

Totals, again, with a tip of the hat to japanviking:

Nixon 346

Peanut 320

Bush 291

JFK 241

Obama 161, with many more helpful orders to come.

Hmmm, that would make Nixon and Cheney/Bush pretty gosh darn "imperial presidents". But, didn't I say that already?

How would you interpret this startling information, JR?

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Auntydem

Jan-07-14 8:06 PM

Obama issued more executive orders in his first term than George W. Bush did in both of his terms? Not really. GWB – total 291 BHO – 147 first term, 14 in term 2 as of July (161 total so far). Both are well below Reagan’s 381, which beats Nixon, Carter, Kennedy, and even Clinton’s total of 364. Source- American Presidency Project

Whatever the point was of bringing up executive orders, it appears Reagan wins the title, not Obama.

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Auntydem

Jan-07-14 8:23 PM

A well-traveled e-mail that falsely attributes 923 executive orders to Obama includes a short list of specific orders, none of which were signed by Obama. The one that has received the most attention is EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. It was issued by Republican President Ford in 1976, not President Obama. Disappointing, I’m sure, because it does sound kinda imperial.

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svensota

Jan-07-14 9:17 PM

And, the next thing JR is going to try and tell us is that Abraham Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation by executive order.

Talk about abuse of power.

(Tsk. Tsk.)

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JReader

Jan-08-14 2:06 PM

The numbers I cited were from a piece written in Forbes January, 28, 2013. Dispute away and site what ever sources you'd like "peanut". Like I said it's more the quality (or lack of) than quantity that would really be a better measure of abuse of power.

Yes, Sven that horrible Republican president Abraham Lincoln !!! Since he was a Republican there can be no doubt his motives for issuing an executive order such as the Emancipation Proclamation must be nothing more than an abuse of power. No Republican could ever do anything good for our country - right Sven ? Thanks for setting us right on that little piece of history.

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japanviking

Jan-08-14 3:38 PM

JReader the article you reference is titled: “When It Comes to Abuse of Presidential Power, Obama Is a Mere Piker” hardly the indictment of President Obama you make it out to be. Also the numbers you quote are a per annum average and not the actual total numbers which I listed. The article itself states, “Republicans and conservatives have complained loudly lately that President Obama has been resorting to non-democratic and unconstitutional governance; imperiously ignoring the so-called “will of the people” by issuing a cascade of new executive orders. Conservative radio talk show host Mark Levin contends that Obama’s executive orders are “un-American” and even “fascistic.” If so, then Republican presidents including Dwight Eisenhower, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan must be classified as even more monarchical, un-American and “fascistic” than Barack Obama.” ***********forbes****/sites/richardsalsman/2013/01/28/when-it-comes-to-abuse-of-presidential-power-obama-is-a-mere-piker/

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Auntydem

Jan-08-14 5:48 PM

Forbes article Jan 28, 2013 - "When It Comes To Abuse Of Presidential Power, Obama Is A Mere Piker" pretty much called out the likes of Rand Paul saying Obama acts like a king and Mark Levin calling Obama's executive orders un-American without having anything to back it up. The only numbers given are each president's average per annum, not the totals by terms.

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Auntydem

Jan-08-14 5:52 PM

Sorry to repeat your info JV. Got side-tracked and didn't check updates before posting.

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svensota

Jan-08-14 10:03 PM

JR: I don't agree with you that Abraham Lincoln was horrible. (!!!) I think he was pretty darn good, even if he did issue one of those executive orders you complain about so much.

And, I don't agree with you that no Republican could ever do anything good for our country. Bless Dwight D. Eisenhower for the interstate system, and kudos to George Bush the First for saving Kuwait oil.

You need to settle down and rethink your positions a little bit better, especially about Lincoln being horrible and the Republicans being unable to do anything for the country.(Although, I would agree with you that The Maverick and The Mitt would have made a real mess of things.)

Still, I think you're being a tad bit overly critical.

Also, work on your math. You keep coming up with the wrong numbers a little too often.

I hope you don't take any of my helpful comments the wrong way, JR. I know you're trying your best.

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JReader

Jan-09-14 9:33 AM

Sven I guess we're just going to have to agree to agree on this whole executive order business...

I don't think that all of the executive orders Obama has issued are bad. There, I said it. I feel so much better now.

Don't they spare the lives of those turkeys annually by executive order ?

I really like it when we can find common ground Sven. Peace bro.

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JReader

Jan-09-14 9:36 AM

Thanks for looking up that article Aunty. The meat and potatoes of it really does talk more about what do they and not how many when it comes to executive orders.

See, I'm not such a bad guy once you get to know me...

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svensota

Jan-09-14 11:49 AM

Far out, JR.

Since Mitt "retired" and Puke73 disappeared into a snowbank, the world has become a more gentle place.

Chocolate milk and graham crackers for everyone!

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JReader

Jan-09-14 4:41 PM

Dare I say it ??? Could it be that the Whitehouse may just be a bridge too far for Chris Christie ?

Sorry I couldn't resist...

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

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svensota

Jan-09-14 5:20 PM

JR: What's this about a bridge?

I've been watching Fox News 24/7 and I haven't heard a single word about Chris Christie.

Is he a Republican or something?

Most of "the news" was about President Obama and the Affordable Care Act and Benghazi (There's so much more to know!).

But, then again, I never turn up the sound so maybe they were yammering about Jeff Bridges and Julie Christie.

Hard to tell.

(Yawn.)

Do you go ice fishing?

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Auntydem

Jan-09-14 8:05 PM

JReader, we even agree on some things, like your comment on the mercury & coal letter.

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JReader

Jan-10-14 9:41 AM

Sven,

I'm going out ice fishing tonight, and again this weekend if I'm a good enough boy and earn enough points.

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svensota

Jan-10-14 5:30 PM

JR: Can I come along ice fishing?

I'm sure I'd be a big hit with your friends. I'll bring a big box herbal tea and some low-cal soy crackers.

Do the guys like classical music? I've got some great Rachmaninov tracks I can tuck into my Abercrombie parka.

Oh, and, there's a possibility tonight of northern lights on the low horizon.

This will be such a hoot.

Quick question: Do you guys bait your own hooks or do you have a guide do it for you? (You know what I'd prefer; I'am a liberal ya' know.)

What time should we meet?

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