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The murder of JFK: The survey says...

November 22, 2013

Last Tuesday, a crowd of over 60 New Ulmers (and a few out-of-towners) gathered to listen to my talk on the Kennedy assassination at the New Ulm Librar....

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svensota

Nov-26-13 12:40 PM

Puck:

Thank you.

I'll pull out Posner's book over T-giving and read through it again with a strong drink in hand.

(Hmmm...maybe that's the reason...)

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Politicalpuck

Nov-26-13 11:47 AM

Svensota: If really did read Gerald Posner's book "Case Closed" the answers to the Oswald movie question, and the Ruby motive question are in there, and in dozens of other JFK assassination books. Oswald was running from the cops, Ruby wanted his 15 minutes of fame, thought he'd be a hero for killing Oswald, and may have really wanted to spare Jackie Kennedy the burden of coming back to Dallas to testify in a trail. Who really knows what goes on in the mind of unstable people who are packing weapons? There is ample literature out there that provides definitive answers to your myriad questions. Happy reading.

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svensota

Nov-25-13 9:01 PM

Puck:

I didn't intend for my questions to sound sinister. I've tried to figure out the JFK assassination for multiple decades and have failed, in spite of reading everything from Jim Marrs "Crossfire" to Gerald Posner's "Case Closed". And, that's where I left it, about 20 years ago. I did not know "the tramps" had been positively identified in 1992.

Thank you for the information.

Now, please tell me what was Jack Ruby's motive. Why did Oswald go to the movies? And how the devil did he get into the USSR and back out so easily?

I'm not saying that there was a conspiracy. I've given up on that, and I am now certain that Oswald fired three shots from the TBD. However, I also think there were an unusual number of truly strange people doing a lot of weird things for reasons that make little or no sense. None of it ever quite fully adds up.

I don't know the answers. I'd appreciate your point of view.

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Politicalpuck

Nov-25-13 6:53 AM

Researcher Dale Meyers, has a video on Youtube that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald was the lone shooter. On Youtube, search for "Beyond Conspiracy - Kennedy Assassination."

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Politicalpuck

Nov-25-13 6:52 AM

Svensota's latest batch of sinister-sounding questions illustrate a ploy often used by conspiracy believers: Ask questions to which there are known answers while making it seem the answers are not known. The "tramps" were identified on Feb. 3, 1992 by Dallas Municipal Archives and Records Journalist Mary La Fontaine. The three men were found sleeping in a box car and were named Harold Doyle, John F. Gedney and Gus W. Abrams. I spoke with an assassination witness three weeks ago, and he said quote, "There were three shots and that's all there were." The name of the witness was Bob Jackson, who was in a convertible eight cars behind Kennedy's. Many science-based channels have aired programs in the last two weeks that proved conclusively that President Kennedy was struck from behind. And researcher Dale Meyers, has a video on Youtube that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Oswald was the lone shooter. On Youtube, search for "Beyond Conspiracy - Kennedy Assass

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svensota

Nov-24-13 2:00 PM

Or, Oswald wanted to "be a great man" for his wife (per Puck's post about "Marina and Lee"). Oswald had huge self-worth issues and bordered on delusional.

And, Jack Ruby wanted to keep Sam Giancana from torturing him and having him buried alive. That would be sufficient incentive for just about anyone.

But, why? The motives for both murderers are elusive.

While we're at it, who were the three nicely dressed and neatly quaffed "tramps" behind the grassy knoll?

And, were there three shots fired or four? And how does a head explode, backwards, when hit from behind?

There are as many informed opinions explaining "why" as there are "why not".

In the end, no one knows for sure.

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middleclassworker

Nov-24-13 9:04 AM

I think Oswald wanted to be a hero in Cuba just like Ruby wanted to be a hero in America.

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Politicalpuck

Nov-24-13 8:14 AM

For answers to myriad questions posted by Svensota, I suggest reading "Marina and Lee" by Priscilla McMillian, which was published in 1977 and may be available in the New Ulm Library or its system. Ms. McMillian's biography of their marriage is illuminating and gives the reader a glimpse into the twisted mind of the assassin. Ms. McMillian worked for a time for Senator John F. Kennedy in the 1950s as a researcher. Following that, she worked in Moscow for the UPI in the late 1950s; she interviewed and did a UPI wire story on Oswald shortly after he defected to the Soviet Union in 1959. Ms. McMillian spent months interviewing the assassin's widow in 1964 and began the long detailed write that led to publication. PBS's Frontline did a detailed piece on the assassin in 1993 called "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" They are streaming a more current version of that documentary on PBS****, and if you have time to watch part or all of it, it's an excellent resource.

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svensota

Nov-23-13 8:29 PM

I tend to agree with Puck.

However.

Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald?

How/when/where did Oswald learn to speak Russian, an incredibly difficult language to learn? How did Oswald just suddenly fly of to the USSR and defect, and then change his mind and fly back? How does that happen, and with whose permission?

Have you ever fired a cheap Italian rifle, with a bad telescope, at a moving target, three times, and hit...anything?

If you had just killed two people--the President of the United States and a Dallas police officer--would you head off to a movie theater, and cause a commotion by not paying to get in?

And, on and on.

It's all the "stuff" around the assassination that makes little sense.

Oh...and by the way, did Oswald have a motive?

We will never know.

How can this be?

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Politicalpuck

Nov-23-13 7:22 PM

Searching for, or believing in a conspiracy is a search for order--it just had to be a group that wanted Kennedy out--but all the microscopic research of this event, and the patterns of hate that swirled around JFK's presidency have failed to uncover anything other than conjecture, rumor and speculation. It has also fed the very lucrative JFK Conspiracy Industry, in which millions of dollars have been made. You cannot discount Oswald's miserable life before the assassination and his acts after the assassination, when, summoned to speak with a police officer, he killed the officer in cold blood in an act of bald guilt. There often is no order to American violence. It's something we live with today, and it is something we lived with in the 50 years and one day since November 22, 1963.

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Politicalpuck

Nov-23-13 7:14 PM

Thank you for sharing your survey results. Most people have come to accept that Oswald fired three shots, and only three shots. On Nov. 1, I spoke with Bob Jackson at the 6th Floor Museum in Dallas. Jackson snapped the Pulitzer-prize winning photo of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald on Nov. 24. He saw the stock and barrel of Oswald's rifle being drawn in from the southeast corner of the sixth floor of the book building. He said there were three shots, and that's all there were. Three men on the floor below Oswald heard Oswald work the breach between the shots. Two eyewitnesses on Elm St. saw Oswald take the shots. There is no evidence, forensic or otherwise, that shows another shooter. There is no credible link that anyone put Oswald up to shooting the President.

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