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Two faces of Republicanism

October 20, 2013

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agitprop

Oct-20-13 10:35 AM

Bravo, Pat Missling! Now, if we can only get The Journal to give you some ink to post your very informative e-newsletters in both print and online versions. Good luck with that, right?

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Reason2Puke

Oct-20-13 12:17 PM

Once again, a misleading screed by a pseudointellectual left wing hack. The republican party is absolutely in disarray right now. Considering that we have a $17+ trillion debt and a healthcare law that is a disaster unfolding before our very eyes, I'm not sure anyone in Washington, D.C. should actually be in "array" at this point.

Ted Cruz protested the despicable treatment of visitors to our WWII memorial, many of whom were people who served our country in the most heroic way. At the same time, the administration chose to keep other things opened. In addition, the park police CHOSE to enforce the laws when our veterans were the culprits, but ignored the laws being broken repeatedly by the vermin who infested the capital last year as a part of the "occupy" bowel movement.

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Auntydem

Oct-20-13 1:13 PM

Which does more actual harm to veterans? Not being allowed into memorials, or Ted Cruz and his party acting on their belief that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and gutting that program which veterans and their families depend on. More than one-third of America's 54 million Social Security beneficiaries are veterans or family members living with them. Approximately 771,000 veterans receive Social Security disabled worker benefits, averaging $1,100 to $1,200 per month. Social Security's young survivor's benefits are particularly important to the four in 10 active duty members who are married with children and the one in 20 who are single parents.

Go ahead. Ask veterans.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-20-13 1:37 PM

You're kidding, right, Aunydem? First of all, social security was not on the table during the shutdown, but apparently veterans access to their memorials was. The left has mastered the art of couching every discussion in terms of central planning/government involvement or nihilism. Those are the two choices. If there is no Dept. of Education, all of our kids become stupid. If there is no EPA, all of us choke to death on polluted air. If we show a modicum of fiscal restraint, defenseless women, children, old people and disabled veterans will starve to death in the streets.

What is it like to be so fenced in by ideology that you cannot even let common sense or your own personal reality enter the picture? We are BROKE and nothing the democrats are even talking about address that FACT.

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agitprop

Oct-20-13 11:15 PM

Puke! Do you live for this, you old troll? And if you're referring to me as a pseudo-intellectual, you may be right. I am driven mostly by emotion, especially when dealing with ignorant freaks like you. Did you have a good day otherwise, you petty pettifogger? And if you're not a veteran, shut the eff up! Take this back to the source and shove it from there! Ted Cruz is a criminal! 9 of 10 veterans would tell you the same thing. The whole thing was part of the Repugnant Ruse, just like your friend Sean Hannity and his three fake guests and their fake stories, bashing the ACA. Just who are you trying to blame, then, for the "partial," selective shutdown? The congressional criminals responsible, who had the audacity to ask for special favors? Complete bovine excrement, and it makes me want to puke, Puke! Does $24 billion mean anything to you? And you can tack that on to the $4-6 trillion you still owe from your Bush/Cheney adventurism. Enough already!

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Reason2Puke

Oct-20-13 11:43 PM

I knew it! It was Bush's fault.

Let me check. Yep, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead and the unAffordable Care Act is still a miserable failure that is getting worse by the millisecond.

Don't get mad at me, that is your failed ideology that has you completely boxed in.

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svensota

Oct-21-13 12:42 AM

Puke:

Your posts on this thread are some of your best ever.

You are now the official recipient of the "Korie Langbehn Chicken Little Award" for histrionic prattle.

Congratulations!

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Reason2Puke

Oct-21-13 7:28 AM

Hmmmmm. A supporter of Al Gore's mythical "carbon bubble" theory, a president who claims that republicans will poison us all with dirty air and dirty water, and a believer that "it could have been worse", calls me chicken little.

Please let me know when pigs fly, satan has to shop for a winter coat and the unAffordable lack of Care Act starts to control costs and improves the quality of our healthcare system.

I guess ideology actually does suspend reality. Thank you, Svensota, for bringing yours to show and tell for all of us to experience.

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japanviking

Oct-21-13 9:24 AM

I just wish Mr. Puke had the courage to let us know who he really is instead of hiding behind his username. If you want to rave the way you do and continuously post your outrageous comments the least you can do is have the guts to own them. I have routinely published my name in past letters but just in case anyone forgot it is David Nelson. See Mr. Puke that was not so hard was it?

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Reason2Puke

Oct-21-13 10:26 AM

Is that rule 12 or rule 16? I can't remember because it has been a while since I read the progressive playbook. But the rule reads like this: When you can't argue ideas or break your opponent's arguments, identify and attack them personally.

It is an old Saul Alinsky tactic and I'm not interested in playing. Sorry japanviking. But I will offer you this. If you can name one thing on here that I have said that people will agree is outrageous, I will quit posting on here forever.

Actually that may be a good idea anyway. If my haters on here haven't figured out how much of an overreach and a train wreck this healthcare debacle is by now, there really is no convincing you of anything.

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japanviking

Oct-21-13 10:40 AM

Mr. Puke here are examples of outrageous just from this string of how you use hyperbole as well as opinion with absolutely no facts included to back up anything you say. Come on fellow posters agree that what he says is outrageous so he can be a man of his word and quit posting forever. “But I will offer you this. If you can name one thing on here that I have said that people will agree is outrageous, I will quit posting on here forever.” Oh, yeah and you still did not tell us who you are. I guess you just do not want to own what you say. “a misleading screed by a pseudointellectual left wing hack.” “the unAffordable Care Act is still a miserable failure that is getting worse by the millisecond.” “a president who claims that republicans will poison us all with dirty air and dirty water.” “the unAffordable lack of Care Act starts to control costs and improves the quality of our healthcare system.”

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Reason2Puke

Oct-21-13 11:01 AM

Ideas presented in anonymity must stand on their own without benefit of the personality of the presenter.

The "Affordable" Care Act is making private health insurance UNaffordable for millions of middle class working people. That is an unintended consequence, but a fact non-the-less. Go on YouTube and type in "dirty air and dirty water" + Obama and see how many clips you get of him saying that. The Journal letter, that is the subject of this thread, points out two sides of the republican party, both of which are bad. Do you call that objective thinking? And, the ACA proponents have openly stated that less care will be necessarily provided to patients once the law is fully implemented.

Argue my points, or get off my back. Your move, genius.

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Auntydem

Oct-21-13 1:53 PM

R2Puke - "When you can't argue ideas or break your opponent's arguments, identify and attack them personally." You opened your comment by calling the author a "pseudointellectual left wing hack" and the Occupy protesters "vermin". By your own statement it appears you had nothing else to argue with.

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Auntydem

Oct-21-13 3:31 PM

R2Puke- "less care will be necessarily provided to patients once the law is fully implemented" You confuse less expensive and invasive care being necessary because people will receive preventative care and care before conditions do serious harm, with simply providing less care. There's a big difference.

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deerhunt

Oct-21-13 3:59 PM

Just remember - the ACA is all the democrats doing- good or bad - they own this 100%. Just sit back and watch the train wreck , if they ever get the train started.

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deerhunt

Oct-21-13 4:37 PM

Maybe the Republicans positioned themselves for the 2014 elections, they tried everything possible to defund and delay the ACA. If the only people signing up are the ones in need of subsidy , this thing will begin to collapse quickly. It had been based on projections , we know how good the government is at doing that. If they cannot get enough young people signed up they will have a big deficit. Obama said today they should mail in their applications, most of these young people hardly ever use a stamp. Good thing we got this passed so we can see what is in the bill . Would it not have made more sense to pass a few regulations ( such as no denial of coverage and up to 26 on your parents) with 2 simple bills instead of 2600 pages that nobody had time to read or understand? Don't worry , I'm sure our kids will thank us later , maybe when the debt hits 20 trillion before the end of his presidency. Thank you Obama!

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Auntydem

Oct-21-13 5:04 PM

Nobody read the bill. Wrong, not that it matters to you.

Pelosi’s actual words were, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” She was speaking not to Congress but to a few thousand county officials attending a legislative conference for the National Association of Counties. The rest of the paragraph that ended with the often misquoted sentence was “You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting.” Legislators read the bill.

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svensota

Oct-21-13 5:25 PM

As always, I know exactly what happened and who said what, and I can assure you Ms. Pelosi's exact words were:

"Bill made a pass, and so we did it."

I'm not making this up. Really.

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deerhunt

Oct-21-13 5:53 PM

Do you seriously think they read the bill? 2600 pages written in lawyer language? Most of the congressman and Senators admitted they didn't have time to read it.

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svensota

Oct-21-13 5:53 PM

Puke73:

I did not call you Chicken Little. That's just another example of how you exaggerate and misrepresent facts. I said you had won the "Korie Langbehn Chicken Little Award" for histrionic prattle.

It's quite a prestigious award. And once bestowed it cannot be revoked--kind of like baptism.

Now, cheer up and puff out your chest.

You're a winner!

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deerhunt

Oct-21-13 5:54 PM

No matter what - the Democrats own this top to bottom.

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deerhunt

Oct-21-13 6:01 PM

In all reality it would be easier to repeal and start over than rework this. There is 3X,XXX pages of rules and regulations that go along with the bill. Considering the position the Republicans are in I would bet they would be more than happy to help rewrite it. No compromise, than the democrats better hope it goes a lot better than it has started so far ,or they won't have control of any part of the government. I am thankful I have my own insurance and have nothing to do with this mess.

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deerhunt

Oct-21-13 6:10 PM

Aunty , maybe you could have Hillary /Pelosi in 2016. Neither one knows anything when the crap hits the fan and they know what's best for America. Than we could all feel warm and fuzzy for electing our first woman president. Career politicians , what a way to go.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-21-13 6:19 PM

The ACA is the holy grail of politics. It was written to destroy our current system so it could be built back with universal healthcare at some point in the future. It is working as designed and we will all be wards of the state sooner rather than later. Anyone who thinks they will be exempt in any way after the damage is done is kidding themselves. The "glitches" and "logistical problems" with the rollout are mere distractions from the real damage that is being done.

You were all lied to, and if you can't see that at this point you are simply stupid. I say "you" because I have known this from the start.

When you are born to communists, raised by communists, mentored by communists, taught by communists and trained by communists, you don't embrace free market capitalism when you reach the pinnacle of your career.

The criminal class in Washington owns you. How does that feel?

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Reason2Puke

Oct-21-13 6:22 PM

Aunty and Svensota, you are both great progressive supporters. Let me be the first to inform you that when the progressive agenda is fully implemented, the only way you will be welcomed to the table is by being on the menu.

Good luck with that!

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