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Not for Congress

October 4, 2013

(The Journal’s editorial of Friday, Oct. 4, (Not for Congress) was in error when it said that a Republican budget proposal on Sept....

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Oct-04-13 9:12 AM

The ACA was developed to address the problem of the uninsured-since congress has a job that includes insurance as part of the compensation package it does not apply to them.

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Oct-04-13 9:14 AM

The GOP's only concern right now is to get anything they can out of this shutdown, at this point they don't care what it is. At this point they look like fools and they need something to take to their voters to justify their actions.

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Oct-04-13 11:21 AM

So far, .2% of the uninsured have applied for Obamacare. I would call that amazingly effective.

By the way Zorro, the purpose of the ACA was to crash everything else and force us all onto a government, single payer welfare program. It is going to be the most massive shift of capital from the middle class to the political class in the history of mankind. The poor will be unaffected because it just changes who is paying their medical bills, not whether or not they get paid. The rich will insulate themselves with their money, and us poor, dumb working stiffs will pay for this massive mistake.

The first black president has found a way to get retribution for slavery by enslaving us all to this fiasco. Bravo Mr. President, well played!

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Oct-04-13 1:07 PM

RTP - Contrats for figuring out the black President's diabolical plan! But here in the real world, single payer health care that is exactly what the President and Democrats would have passed if that was what they wanted. Some certainly wanted that. But they followed the process, during which hundreds of Republican amendments were adopted during committees, including: Provides grants to States to jump-start and evaluate promising medical liability reform ideas to put patient safety first, prevent medical errors, and reduce liability premiums. Allows automatic enrollment by employers in health insurance: Allows employee to opt-out. Includes personal responsibility incentives: Allows health insurance premium to vary based on participation in proven employer wellness programs.

The rich already are insulated from the high cost of insurance and health care, leaving us poor dumb stiffs going bankrupt over medical bills. ACA is a step toward correcting that. Get a grip.

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Oct-04-13 2:15 PM

For months the GOP has warned us that companies would drop their employer sponsored health care plans and force people to sign up with ACA, isn't that exactly what they are proposing to do with their employees? The Repubs. have thrown so much stuff against the wall, hoping something sticks they can no longer keep track of it all.

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Oct-04-13 2:41 PM

You keep on talking about the benefits of Obamacare, explain why an identical plan , depending where you live on a line between the cities and Rochester costs $250 in the cities and $384 in Rochester? This is just a bronze plan ,Blue cross ,HSA with a $3,000 deductible. Who decides that if you live a mile on the wrong side of the road your premium costs you pay an extra $134. This is not isolated , it is all the premiums in regions 1 and 8 . Everybody else falls somewhere in between. Seems like Mayo fell in lock step with the politicians on this one. You keep preaching fairness and equal access, not sure how this fits into this.

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Oct-04-13 2:49 PM

Auntydem, stop reading my posts and pay attention to what is actually happening. You may learn something.

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Oct-04-13 2:50 PM

This is headed towards a government run system when it becomes underfunded(probably with in a year or two). There was a person from Canada that I talked to when this law was being voted on , he could not believe we were thinking about actually doing this. He was at a vendors business (Iowa) when someone had their finger severely cut , they rushed him into the hospital saw a few specialists and in 4 hours had his finger reattached. He was amazed at how fast it transpired , he said in Canada you would have had to wait all day in the waiting room and at the end of the day they would have removed the finger and sewed it back up. He said at least here you get rapid care and the choice of what you want to do if something happens. Every one points to Canada as an example , he said we should not lose our freedom to decide , he said it may cost more but that the option to choose is priceless.

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Oct-04-13 4:14 PM

R2P -I should stop reading your posts? Why do you write them?

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Oct-04-13 5:36 PM

If you want to know exactly how things are going with Obamacare, just listen to what the president says, turn it 180 degrees, and that is what is actually happening.

He may be the most effortless and prolific liar to hold that office, and that is quite an accomplishment.

Auntydem, check out the Obamacare Facebook page. It is riddled with people shocked at the relative high cost and weak coverage offered by the exchanges. I'm sure you will have an excuse for that too. Must be the Tea Baggers, or possibly even George Bush's fault.

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Oct-04-13 6:16 PM

Come on, Puke, get your facts right:

1. Bill Clinton was the first Black president.

2. President Barack Obama is a mulatto. In other words, he is half white (one of us!).

3. Everything is George W. Bush's fault.

Other than these errors, I find your posts fascinating and wonderful, as does Auntydem and your fellow Journal website devotees.

And, you're doing a fine job of articulating the brilliance of the far right.

Keep up the good work.

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Oct-04-13 8:21 PM

I stand corrected. Obamacare is off to an amazing start, really! You libs actually do have it all figured out.

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Oct-04-13 8:47 PM

I know svensota that enslavement comment was really out of bounds. Who do you think will get saddled with the $270 billion annual bill, which is in addition to current healthcare spending levels? Will it be the elite or politically connected? Or maybe the 40 million who didn't have insurance before will kick in $67,000 each per year to cover the cost increase. Oh wait, no, it will be the suckers in the middle who are barely getting by trying to do the right things now. When your choices are to give up or keep working so everyone else can be comfortable, you are, by definition enslaved.

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Oct-04-13 8:53 PM


It's easy when perceptive men of goodwill can overlook the petty details and think great thoughts and have the foresight to do what's right for The American People.

You're a quick study, Puke.

Next year in...Washington!

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Oct-04-13 9:00 PM

I will have to master the art of creating the run-on sentence first. You apparently have conquered that one.

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Oct-04-13 9:06 PM

The same government that brought us the $300 hammer and the $500 toilet seat now solves our uninsured person problem for a mere $67,000 each per year. I can't afford to see what they come up with next.

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Oct-04-13 10:12 PM

Puke: I've been watching a lot of Tea Party politicians yammer on endlessly about how much they care about The American People and how deeply they feel for the children of The American People who have cancer and how much it means to The American People to have funding to keep the national parks open.

It's catching.

Maybe we should discuss parody sometime. I can help you.

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Oct-05-13 8:45 AM

Aca is not about health care,it's about dependency and control,if you really think you can cover 309 million people with ins.that cost less with fewer doctors and less hospitals,you more than likely voted for this president,and believe all the rhetoric the far left spews,remember its always easier to blame the other side for your problems,most people seem to have forgotten which party has had majority and super majority of our government the last seven years and that aca was passed with out one partisan vote nor anyone reading the bill,amazing don't you think.

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Oct-05-13 9:23 AM

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Oct-05-13 9:32 AM

The left has been telling us for years that nobody actually wants to be on a welfare program. Now they do a complete 180 on us and tell us that everyone is, or should be excited to get on this welfare program. Well, I for one, am not.

Maybe congress should pass a resolution calling all welfare Obamacare. At least then the medical part of it would be identified for what it actually is.

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Oct-05-13 2:55 PM

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE seem to be experiencing Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, after five days of being held as Tea Party hostages.

So, how can we bond with these patriots, become more like them?

I have given this a great deal of thought. Here are some highly reliable suggestions:

1. Overall: Dress and look like a smirking white frat-boy from the SEC.

2. Have a swell haircut, nicely combed, with a subtle Biloxi tan. The Speaker's orange sauteed look is a little over the top, so don't go there.

3. Use the term "The American People" at least twice in every sentence while grinning slightly with an air of superiority.

4. Act indignant often, like almost everyone on Foxy Babes Network.

5. Spout off hair-raising "facts" about irresponsible government inefficiency. Repeat often.

6. Make sure there are at least three, and preferably 12, American flags behind you at all times.

Follow these simple guidelines and you too can become a real patriot of The Ameri

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Oct-05-13 3:12 PM

The progressive elites and the establishment republican elites are starting to be exposed, and it can't happen soon enough for my taste. Maybe Obama's drastic overreach on healthcare is just what we needed to wake everyone up!

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Oct-05-13 4:27 PM

All this debated when it was brought up . It past in both bodies O congress . The the president signed it into law , the S C Ok it. Stop fighting a good law you tea party nut job and get on with some other dumb thing you want to do to make this country fail .

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Oct-05-13 5:27 PM

shadow - there was no debate, correct, but with 235 Dems and 199 Reps, the bill was rammed thru the House of Representatives. Since that time 42 Dems lost their seats because of their vote. Talk about a failing country policy, your side gave us a lollapalozza. Now, will you be writing a check for your share of the $270 billion deficit projected from this program for the next current year? Didn't think so. Since you appear to be a liberal, the Reps have only been presenting ideas to save this country from bankruptcy but with the diehard liberal spenders of the Senate, nothing gets heard or voted on. Your people continue wanting to spend money the people don't have.

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Oct-05-13 6:01 PM

Prohibition was once the law of the land as well. Obamacare will make the problems that were caused by prohibition look like child's play.

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