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Figures don’t lie

October 3, 2013

In arguing for bigger government, President Barack Obama is being more than a little dishonest. He insists he is reducing the spending deficit — but he is not....

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svensota

Oct-10-13 10:58 AM

JR: You're off this weekend to catch perch and I'm off with my son to New York to catch a show. You'll be drinkin' beer and downin' brats, and we'll be quaffing bordeaux and savoring foie gras.

Hard to know who will have more fun.

But in the end, I'll bet we both pass a lot of gas.

See. We have so much in common. Next it will be politics.

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JReader

Oct-10-13 9:44 AM

Sven,

Just pulling your chain 'ol buddy. I really wanted to point out to you that you really aren't much different than those folks you so despise.

I think if people would come to this realization perhaps we wouldn't have things like shutdowns and debt ceiling disasters to contend with.

But, instead we continue to get "if they would just all shut up and listen to me it would all be perfect".

I know, I'm being too idealistic again but shucks, a guy can dream can't he ??? Especially if he's sitting on a boat and the fish aren't cooperating...

Do a me a favor while I'm gone, Sven. Go hug a Tea Party Guy. Really feel the love. Better yet, give 'ol Puke a long embrace. (singing Kumbaya is optional)

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svensota

Oct-09-13 8:33 PM

Golly, JR. You're so touchy these days. I hardly know what to say to you. You just fly off the handle at any little thing.

Honestly.

How soon can you leave and "go fishing"?

I have a whole government to fix and I just can't deal with your moodiness right now.

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JReader

Oct-09-13 5:06 PM

So, now you're a segregationist, Sven ? "My kind of people" ? That sounds like Selma in the fifties, Sven. And they call me devolved. I supppose you'll have me sitting in the back of the bus (or train)on my one way trip to Texas. That's so progressive of you...

And just why is it you hate those Tea Party folks so much ?

I thought they were supposed to be the backward ones.

Keep typing, Sven. Your true colors are showing.

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svensota

Oct-09-13 12:26 PM

No, JR. I only want to ship you off to Texas, where you will be happy with your kind of people. Why? Because I know what's best for you...and all of America, for that matter.

Now go play with the fishes, and be at one with the Universe, knowing we will take care of everything here while you're gone.

Ahhhhhh-oooooooooommMMM.

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JReader

Oct-09-13 8:51 AM

Your idea of love must be some kind of tough love, Sven. You want to ship me off to a camp and have me exterminated. Go figure.

Your idea of compassion is to silence the voices of those who disagree with you. Thanks, but I'll pass on your brand of compassion.

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svensota

Oct-08-13 5:31 PM

JR: What makes you think I'm not writing under both user names?

If being a "nutjob" means being sensitive and caring to all, then count me in as a nutjob. I even care deeply about you, JR. That's why we liberals are known as bleeding heart, dewy-eyed, idealists.

Enjoy your fishing trip. Catch a bunch. Have a few beers. Think loving thoughts.

Peace, brother.

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JReader

Oct-08-13 12:52 PM

What gives me the right to go fishing ? Are you for real ?

Sven, sorry to inform you but you have been replaced as Journal nutjob by agitprop.

I'll take my marching orders from the Declaration and state my fishing is prompted by my personal "pursuit of happiness".

As for my vote, I vote for the person whom I feel is best suited for the job. Sometimes it means "None of the Above"

I don't belong to any tea party but I believe they have as much right to blabber on as you do. So blabber away. I'd suggest you practice in front of a mirror a little longer though so you can get a little better at it. Your blabber is still quite incoherent.

As for me, I'm going fishing.

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JReader

Oct-08-13 9:02 AM

What party are you speaking of ? I'm not stupid enough to belong to any political party. I am joining a fishing party this weekend and for your benefit I promise to bring up how we plan on paying for Bush's war. Hopefully that will allow you to better rationalize Obama's unending spending spree. A word of caution though, the "Blame Bush" mantra doesn't work on the independent thinkers I fish with.

I think a better option would be for you to take your little ADHD pill so you can better focus on the here and now. Last count debt was 16.9 trillion. How is your guy Obama going to make it go away or even go down ? He got his tax hikes to a point where we've seen record revenue collection and despite this he's still running 700 billion in the red.

Remember, he promised a balanced budget by his second term ? How's he going to make it happen ?

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Avoice

Oct-07-13 6:14 PM

One can easily see why agitprop and others excelled in their liberal speakcing studies but probably failed any math classes. The total vote in the 2012 elction was 129.215million votes of whcih President Obama reeceived 65.917million votes(51.01%0 and the rest of the candidates received 63.298million votes(48.99%) which means Presdient Obama won by only 2.619 million votes over the other candidates. Seems the IRS keeps picking the wrong people to audit - should start checking those who have high marks in liberal speech classes.

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JReader

Oct-07-13 4:29 PM

Zorro,

What perspective are you trying to portray ? That Obama knows how to exercise fiscal restraint ?

He is the most costly president in our history based on the debt he has incurred during his presidency. You can choose what ever perspective you wish and nothing will change that fact.

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svensota

Oct-06-13 3:54 PM

Well...yes, I can see where "movement" and "flushed" would be appropriate words to be used in the context of the TP party.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-06-13 2:53 PM

You are embarrassing yourself agitprop. Come back if you ever stumble upon a clue. Maybe you can start by Google searching who promoted and who filibustered the Civil Right Act. I'm sure you won't find what you would expect.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-05-13 5:57 PM

The elites, establishment republicans and RINO's who tried to co-opt the movement have been flushed from the Tea Party. Sorry Auntydem, try to keep up, or quit doing selective research.

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Auntydem

Oct-05-13 3:36 PM

A 2012 study funded by the National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health found that Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity were once a single organization called Citizens for a Sound Economy. CSE was founded in 1984 by David and Charles Koch when tobacco companies began to invest in third party groups to fight excise taxes on cigarettes, as well as health studies finding a link between cancer and secondhand cigarette smoke.

In 2002, the Kochs and tobacco-backed CSE designed and made public the first Tea Party Movement website under the web address usteaparty dot com. In September 2011 the U.S. Tea Party site was taken offline. According to the DNS registry, the web address is now owned by Freedomworks.

The "grassroots" movement was created by billionaires and large corporations with little interest in fighting for the rights of the common person, but instead using the common person to fight for their own agenda.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-05-13 3:07 PM

Name the lobbyist or government political elite organization that the Tea Party movement is associated with. They are a grass roots organization started by people who are sick of our overarching, overreaching federal government.

I am not a member, and I have never attended any of their events, but I do know that they are the exact opposite of what you think, and have been told they are.

People are starting to wake up to the fact that our country is being controlled by the elite political class, with not a nickel's worth of difference between the progressive democrats and the establishment republicans. LOSERS ALL!

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middleclassworker

Oct-05-13 2:23 PM

My comment also applies to the Tea Party. They are owned by lobbyists, too.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-04-13 8:56 PM

Middleclass, are you a closet Tea Party Patriot? I think you just articulated their platform.

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middleclassworker

Oct-04-13 7:50 PM

Voting out all the incumbents will do no good since the same lobbyists and party insiders will still be in Washington like they have been for decades. Most of our legislators are merely puppets to their party leaders and are bought and paid for by lobbyists.

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Reason2Puke

Oct-04-13 5:43 PM

Zorro, you fail to understand, well, pretty much everything, but in this case, you don't get the fact that you don't pay interest on percentage of increase, you pay interest on the raw dollars. Reagan was a long ways from the financial tipping point. Unfortunately, this president has found it and we won't have to wait for our grandkids, we are all screwed now.

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Zorromcgee

Oct-04-13 5:09 PM

JR-what is the point of your word problem other than to prove me right? I clearly asked in my post which of the previous 5 presidents had increased the greatest percentage. So thanks for confirming the facts I posted anyway

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Zorromcgee

Oct-04-13 5:06 PM

JR-you provide no proof-simply fear passed off as fact-where are these increases coming from in health care costs. provide some actual facts -not predictions, not fear-facts-show me a breakdown on how a average family of will see their healthcare costs increase 10 fold-because you have not done it yet.

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JReader

Oct-04-13 10:29 AM

Zorro,

Here is a little math word problem for you. President "A" has a national debt of 1 trillion dollars. While he's in office it increases by a whopping 50%.

President "B" has a national debt of 5 trillion dollars. While he's in office debt increases by only 20%. Which president has increased the debt more in total dollars ?

I'll help you out here - it's President "B". As a matter of fact his increase was twice as much as President "A" even though his percentage of increase was only 20% compared to 50% by President "A".

You don't have to worry - there own't be a quiz on this later. Our grandkids better understand this kind of math though; they will be the ones paying for it.

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JReader

Oct-04-13 10:21 AM

Zorro,

For starters the ten fold is for the average family of four. You know the ones that Obama promised to see a decrease of $2,500.00 ? If I didn't make that clear enough for you - my bad. Second, I said health care costs - not just premiums so you were confused on that point. To me health care costs include both premiums and out of pocket expenses that will increase directly due to Obamacare. Also, cafeteria plans are being eliminated under Obamacare which will also increase the tax burden for many families who now utilize them.

Ten-fold may ulimately be understated for many households.

You can choose to ignore any or all of it - that's your perogative. I see Obamacare as a bad law and there are many things that need to change with it. I'm all for healthcare reform but this law is just the wrong way to approach it. There is nothing affordable about the so-called Affordable Care Act.

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Integrity

Oct-04-13 9:41 AM

NEWS FLASH....this current government shutdown has NOTHING to do with health care. Obamacare is simply the scapegoat issue for Congress and the President to dig in and pit against each other instead of working together.

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