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Law of the Land can be changed

September 26, 2013

To the editor: “Obamacare is the law of the land!” If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard a liberal repeat that mantra in the past two weeks, I’d have $3.40 by now....

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Avoice

Oct-01-13 9:49 AM

ZMG you are correct but quoting the Star Trib is a bad source to get "correct" information. If youcan get on the website is a better source.

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Zorromcgee

Oct-01-13 9:41 AM

Avoice-if you have a plan and like it you do not have to change-the figures I quoted were (as I said) in the sunday paper and the star trib website

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Avoice

Sep-30-13 11:41 PM

ZMG - which level of what plan are you quoting from or to compare to? Give us some facts and numbers to review and debate. From my review personally, the plan I would chose to get the current coverage I have has a $3,000 deductible(up $3,000 from current) with a premium that is double from what I pay now. Now there will probably be other choices I could make as not all info was up. I will say the people in the State of Iowa( used to live there) has a great problem because Wellmark BCBS will not be in the exchange offering any plans. Why, because they currently have 86% of the healthcare insurance policies in the state.

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Zorromcgee

Sep-30-13 12:33 PM

JR-According to the strib sunday paper-deductables in MN will range from $1900-4400-my current deductable is $2500-and since you pick the plan you want-show me the sky rocketing deductables.

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Zorromcgee

Sep-30-13 9:43 AM

JR-you said "Not only are they going to see no savings they will see huge increases starting in 2014 where they will see a jump over ten fold in their healthcare costs." Prove it-show some fact-not predictions-not a chicken little rant-but some hard facts that a family of 4 in new ulm is going to spend 10 times as much on healthcare-or admit you what you state is pure fantasy.

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JReader

Sep-26-13 5:07 PM

One other point Zorro, my numbers are for total health care costs. Don't confuse that with premiums. Premiums will rise and so will out of pocket costs like deductables & co-pays and let's not forget the tax consequences while we're at it too. Also, this is for a household size of four that Obama said would see costs drop by $2,500.00 a year.

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JReader

Sep-26-13 5:00 PM

Zorro,

Not my numbers. They came from the office of Medicare Actuaries. Although you are right - a person will have to win the lottery to afford this scheme.

You also have to note that the numbers are an "average" just like Obama used to sell us this snake oil plan. So if you try to apply it to a single premuim amount you'll get whacked out numbers.

Math has never been the strong suit of the left.

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Norwaymaple

Sep-26-13 3:42 PM

The exemption comes in when 75% of the premium is covered by the federal government. The sweetheart deal for Congress continues, leaving the rest of the country to be under the thumb of a bad law.

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svensota

Sep-26-13 3:39 PM

MIT:

Here's how long: Until the TP/GOPpers win both houses of Congress, and have a president that won't veto a bill that eliminates the Affordable Care Act.

You're probably looking at, oh, 2024 at the earliest. Most likely, never.

Keep in mind we thoughtful and helpful liberals just added 10+ million Hispanic voters to our side of the ledger, and we'll be electing the first female president in 2016.

So, relax, and enjoy your new health care benefits.

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Zorromcgee

Sep-26-13 1:46 PM

avoice-Lawmakers and their staffs could keep their employer contributions, and apply that money towards the cost of whatever insurance they buy in the exchanges. It's actually true to Grassley's ostensible purpose, which was making sure members of lawmakers and their advisers have a stake in the success of the exchanges. The amendment was petty and absurd. It was meant to flip a couple of votes, and it didn't work. The Obama administration directive doesn't fit into the convenient lie that government big-wigs are "exempting" themselves from the law. But we should all expect the government to live by the same laws the rest of us do – and that's what the directive does. _So avoice where does the exemption come in?

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Avoice

Sep-26-13 1:05 PM

Zorroomcgee - you had read the post thoroughly. As you stated Grqassley had an amendment, altho watered down, was part of the act. President Obama then went to the Office of Personnel Management and directed them to interpret the law as they retaing their generous congressional benefits. No confusion on my part but you seem to be confused as to claiming Congress is included in the act when Obama has ordered the interpretation of the law to exempt them.

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Zorromcgee

Sep-26-13 12:11 PM

Avoice-you contradict yourself-you say the law is open to interpetation and then say Obama makes the law. Please chose one line of misinformation and stick with it.

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Zorromcgee

Sep-26-13 12:09 PM

JR-over tenfold? So instead of the $638 a month I pay now it will be $6380.00 a month? You know JR-if your ability to predict the future is so accurate then why have you not won the lottery? perhaps your fear of the future is a sign of some other issue...anyway-all you have is fear, not facts.

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JReader

Sep-26-13 11:47 AM

Of course this is a bad law and needs to go away. It's funny how the left railed against Bush on his claim of WMD in Iraq and accused him of being a liar.

Where is the outrage over Obama's lie regarding his healthcare law and how it was going to save the typical family of four $2,500.00 a year ? Not only are they going to see no savings they will see huge increases starting in 2014 where they will see a jump over ten fold in their healthcare costs. Over the next ten years American households will see increases exceeding 621 billion they would not have been there had there been no Obamacare. So not only is there any savings the typical family will see there will be huge increases American households will have to shoulder. The truth took a huge hit when Obama was selling his signature health plan and we will all have to pay the price for his lies.

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Avoice

Sep-26-13 11:33 AM

Zorromcgee - Grassley's amendment was so watered down interpretation was left open. FYI "Democratic and Republican staffers alike were furious, warning that Congress faced a “brain drain” if the provision stuck. Under behind-the-scenes pressure from members of Congress in both parties, President Obama used the quiet of the August recess to personally order the Office of Personnel Management, which supervises federal employment issues, to interpret the law so as to retain the generous congressional benefits." Senator Vitter has presented a bill to make Congress be a part but has been not been brought up in committee to be heard. President Obama makes the law of the land the way he wants it to be.

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Zorromcgee

Sep-26-13 10:30 AM

norway-congress is not exempt-When Obamacare was passed into law, Sen. Charles Grassley, the Iowa Republican, attached language to the bill that mandated members of Congress and their staffers would have to buy health insurance on the newly created health insurance exchanges. What nobody accounted for at the time was that members of Congress and their staffers currently have health insurance through their employer – the federal government. No other employer has been legally required to drop its employee’s health care plan and have them buy coverage on the exchanges.

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Norwaymaple

Sep-26-13 7:46 AM

If Obamacare is such a good idea, why does Congress exempt itself, and why does President Obama exempt those he wants to please?

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tbonenu

Sep-26-13 5:52 AM

Lets see if it works

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