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Eagle deaths no problem for Obama

September 15, 2013

If you want to open a coal mine or drill a gas well in an area where certain types of rare fish or other endangered wildlife live, be prepared to be told you will have to change your plan....

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tolerance

Sep-15-13 12:37 PM

What is worse? Burning coal and poisoning our air for all living things or losing a few eagles to wind turbines? Granted, preserving our eagle population is important, but I value clean air more. We need to produce clean energy and when you consider the number of wind turbines across our country, are the numbers you cite that outrageous?

Again the Journal blames the President? Why not blame Congress? I so wish your editorials were less biased.

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PastResident

Sep-15-13 8:58 PM

The editorial does have a point. If coal plants are going to be regulated and fined out of existence, the least they could do is fine the wind farm operators.

Actually it kind of shows the lunacy of the whole thing. No, coal plants aren't the most ecologically friendly operations in the Country. But we (US businesses and consumers) need inexpensive, reliable electricity production for our economy to work.

Wind farms make great use of a free energy source and are often built on property that is not conducive to other uses. Unfortunately some birds get killed by the blades.

My solution? Let them both exist on their own merits. No special treatment and be realistic about the regulations and/or fines.

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Auntydem

Sep-15-13 9:09 PM

The company PacifiCorp runs both coal plants and wind farms in Wyoming.They paid about $10.5 million in 2009 for electrocuting 232 eagles along power lines and at substations. Their wind farms killed 20 of the over 50 eagles killed in 2009, with no fines. That is unfair. On the other hand, when comparing the numbers it seems eagle deaths are no problem for the companies that can easily afford the fines. But what is being done to reduce the number of eagles killed by every form of energy and especially the power lines used by all of them?

("Obama and his minions"? Thanks for the laugh.)

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Auntydem

Sep-15-13 9:23 PM

Realistic regulation of coal and oil on their own merits will always result in more regulations (and therefore expense for violation) for oil and coal because of their greater impact on land, water, air, and the health of people. All energy producers should be fined for eagle deaths, but dropping regulations because they are exclusive to the damage caused by oil or coal industries would also be special treatment.

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middleclassworker

Sep-16-13 1:09 AM

Why don't we burn trash? The Xcel Energy trash burner in Mankato actually trucks in trash from the metro area, and its operator told me that their emissions are certified cleaner than a natural gas generator.

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tooold

Sep-16-13 10:09 AM

Did anyone see the TV article about the huge solar energy panels in the desert in CA. They end up using steam produced by these energy panels. Enough electricity for 1500 homes in CA. Clean and doesn't kill anything. They had to make special places for some type of turtle that lives there but they are thriving too. Cost--Billions of $$$$. I think someday when we are no longer here future generations will wonder why we were so ignorant about producing clean energy. hopefully. :)

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TURBO75

Sep-16-13 1:33 PM

tolerance, don't hold your breath waiting for the journal to be less biased. The newspaper knows it's day's are numbered and will spend it's remaining time pandering to the small number of people who actually purchase it, old, middle class white people.

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svensota

Sep-16-13 5:49 PM

So...what exactly happens? Do the bald eagles get confused and try to mate with the windmills?

And the result of this amorous activity gone wrong is, what, 60 dead birds?

Outrageous!

This demands an immediate investigation of President Obama and the beginning of impeachment proceedings.

Gassed children in Syria is no big deal, but fiddling around with the American bald eagle's love life is totally unacceptable.

Keep up the good work, Journal editorial staff. Continue to maintain a constant vigil.

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Norwaymaple

Sep-16-13 6:27 PM

If the wind and solar energy production was not subsidized by the government, it would not exist. Neither would ethanol. Coal is much cheaper and a money maker, both for the companies to produce, and the government to tax. The government does not particularly care about either eagles or coal. The ability and right to control the population are much more in line with governmental desire and purpose.

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svensota

Sep-16-13 9:25 PM

Norwaymaple is savvy to what's going on.

That wind and solar energy stuff is a lot of left wing hooey. It's just a way to take money out of our pockets and give it to a bunch of eggheads who have no business sense, whatsoever. And, in the meantime, really sneaky government operatives are controlling the population.

I'm not kidding ya'. There are secret quotas and everything. I'm pretty sure the files are kept in Area 51.

I'm serious.

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PastResident

Sep-17-13 12:10 AM

"Did anyone see the TV article about the huge solar energy panels in the desert in CA."

Did anyone see the report of the big fire where the firefighters couldn't successfully fight a fire (I think it was a big warehouse) because the whole roof was covered with photovoltaic solar panels?

No access possible to vent the roof meant all they could do is surround the building and try to keep the fire from spreading.

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japanviking

Sep-17-13 7:28 AM

Norwaymaple all energy companies are subsidized as are farmers as are other corporations so if you want to start talking subsidies then get rid of them all. Do not pick and chose to your liking.

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middleclassworker

Sep-18-13 2:14 AM

If the Wall Street banks were not subsidized by the government, they would no longer exist, either. You don't hear republicans whining about that now, do you?

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Auntydem

Sep-19-13 1:27 PM

Did anyone see the reports about the tar sand oil spill into Michigan's Kalamazoo River in 2010? 3 years and $1 billion and still 100,000 gallons on the river bottom to remove. They never expected such a spill and from it they at least learned some things to hopefully deal better with the next. Ditto on dealing with solar panels during fires.

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tooold

Sep-20-13 8:07 AM

The solar panels in CA were on the ground --not on any roof top.

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