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An epidemic of broken Obamacare promises

August 18, 2013

Health insurance will be cheaper, we were assured. If you like the policy you have, you'll be able to keep it, President Barack Obama insiste....

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middleclassworker

Sep-02-13 10:49 AM

Just wait until their wages drop, they lose their pensions, older workers get canned, they lose their health insurance, etc. It happens all the time. Rarely, do things get better for the workers.

I remember a few years ago when one of our union contractors dropped out. His employees had the option of staying with him and dropping out or staying union and quitting his shop. A friend of mine stayed with him. I didn't blame him, at least he still had a job. He told me at the time how his boss wasn't cutting anything, how everything was staying the same, other than that he wouldn't have to pay dues anymore. Well, a couple of months ago, he called me, wondering what it would take to get back in. He said that it was just a matter of time, and his boss was taking it all away. He was one of the owner's right-hand men, too. He did a lot of service work here in Mankato. Most people that work non-union construction like I did, then join the union never go back to working non-union.

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Reason2Puke

Sep-02-13 8:36 AM

Headline: 40,000 Longshoremen quit the AFL-CIO citing Richard Trumka's support of Obamacare and immigration reform as the reason. Sounds like trouble in doggyland to me.

Turns out President Obama is a union buster. Who knew?

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Avoice

Sep-01-13 7:34 PM

R2P brought up the James Hoffa quote of the 40 hours week. For the AHCA, full time is considered to be 30 hours. If you read the Minnesota Exchanges rules, you will see the number for full time has been set at 20 hours. Lots of confusion created by bureaucrats who have no idea how business works nad pretty obvious they have no idea of healthcare nor healthcare insurance and how they operate.

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mnsotn

Sep-01-13 9:16 AM

I don't think AHA is by any means perfect, but the whole reason it came to be is because more and more companies were cutting their employees' health insurance plans because they were "too expensive", while at the same time, the corporate executives were giving themselves huge raises. When employers don't provide affordable group insurance, the government steps in. People still get sick, even if they can't afford insurance.

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Reason2Puke

Sep-01-13 8:39 AM

James Hoffa, Jr. says that "Obamacare will destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week". But why concern yourself with other people's problems. Right, MiddleClass?

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Reason2Puke

Aug-31-13 10:24 PM

And MiddleClass, I know that socialized medicine will never work in this country. Check back and let me know how its working in 5 years. I say it won't, at all.

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Reason2Puke

Aug-31-13 10:21 PM

Good for you. I don't vote for people who run on taking away your right to be in a union and have those benefits offered by large corporations, but you don't afford me the same. So, the democracy you are talking about includes forcing me to buy a product from, and for a corrupt crony capitalist driven system. You are a freaking genius.

Your version of democracy is simple. As long as you are getting what you want, the way you want it, screw everyone else.

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GopherState

Aug-31-13 7:37 PM

You're quite the big talker, Puke. 3M, Kraft and many other employers tell their employees when they can take breaks, when they can eat, when they can take vacation, what they will have for retirement, blah blah blah. At least with collective bargaining, both sides can sit down and work out an agreement. It is Democracy at its finest. Only when one side gets too greedy does it make the news. 99% of the time, it works quite well. Plus, unions can usually offer cheaper insurance plans to the employer through their self-insurance than those employers can find from another insurance company.

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middleclassworker

Aug-31-13 6:07 PM

Wow. What an ignorant reply, Puke. Next time, try commenting on something you know something about.

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Reason2Puke

Aug-31-13 1:11 PM

MiddleClass, did you ever think that maybe JR's employer pays him more and allows him the freedom to make his own healthcare decisions? I know that we are all so effing stupid that we need someone else managing our wages, retirement, healthcare, daycare, vacation time, work schedule, potty breaks, lunch breaks, proper food choices, education options, thought processes, words, deeds and actions. But, maybe there are a couple of us left who don't need absolutely everything in our lives scripted and funded by a company, a union or a government agency.

Thanks to people like you, we have turned into the land of the enslaved and the home of the cowards. Ask your union rep if you can respond to my post. And, I think you can hold it for 5 minutes when we all collectively go potty.

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middleclassworker

Aug-31-13 12:39 PM

Too bad for you that your employer does not provide your health insurance as a benefit, JR. That is a lot of money.

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Reason2Puke

Aug-30-13 5:09 PM

We have arrived at the corner of Haight and Ashbury. Everyone please disembark with your tamborines and rose colored glasses, as this is our last stop. Please don't forget to contribute. This is a shared responsibility activity.

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Reason2Puke

Aug-30-13 5:02 PM

I love the name for the new tax/penalty if you don't have the "proper" level of insurance coverage. It is called “Shared Responsibility Payment for Not Maintaining Minimum Essential Coverage.”

We are all in this together, baby.

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JReader

Aug-30-13 4:25 PM

My share of my health premiums runs about $7,000.00 a year Zorro. This is going to increase about another 35% according to recent estimates thanks to Obamacare. They are also talking about dropping coverage for spouses (when they have a plan of their own). Our annual out of pocket is also $5,000.00 for family coverage.

So yeah, I'm not running to the doctor much these days.

So if you think based on my costs I'm being a little judgemental of others - then so be it. All I know is my costs will be going up where others will be getting their insurance costs subsidized.

What incentive will I have based on this trend to go out and work harder and try to better myself ? It seems our current government simply wants to reward people's bad behavior. I'm sure you see it differently but as someone who is paying for someone else's "free ride" I'm going to at least call it as I see it.

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Reason2Puke

Aug-30-13 3:51 PM

Money going into the Healthcare Industrial Complex is indistinguishable at this point. You apparently missed the not-so-subtle change in the attitude of the health insurance companies that were lined up to fight Obamacare 5 years ago, but now are HUGE supporters of it. Why, you ask? Because they were given a seat on the money train. You, zorro, and anyone else is a fool to believe that there are 2 political parties in Washington these days. It is political professional wrestling, all stage crafted to extort more money from the suckers in the stands (aka, we the people).

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Zorromcgee

Aug-30-13 12:13 PM

Puke-do you know the difference between paying for health insurance and medical expenses? perhaps you should check them out before you comapre 2 different things. And BTW-you "obamaphone" is based on a program that goes back to reagan-obama inherited it, he not create it. And check out some of the exchages-some offer choices from dozens of companies and have prices that range from 177 a month to over 500. Facts really confuse you don't they puke?

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Zorromcgee

Aug-30-13 12:09 PM

JR-so does your employer subsidize your health insurance? Do you run to the dr for every runny nose? how quick you are to judge others and slow to judge yourself

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Reason2Puke

Aug-29-13 2:20 PM

Under this president anything is possible. He has become very adept at giving away other people's money.

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svensota

Aug-28-13 7:44 PM

Oh, my gosh. I didn't know the people of Syria qualified for the Affordable Care Act. Well, it's a good thing you brought that up. We should give them lots of money and comfort, too. Thanks for staying on top of things, Puke.

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Reason2Puke

Aug-28-13 6:51 PM

Yes. An annual cell phone plan for a family of 6 is that expensive. I don't have Obama Phones. I hope that all of you "more affordable" healthcare types are fine being forced onto a welfare program, because that is what Obamacare is. You can make yourself feel better by calling it something else. but it is welfare.

This situation with Syria is making for some seriously entertaining theater. I can't wait for the response of the "Bush lied, people died" crowd. We will see just how big of a fraud Svensota really is on this one.

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svensota

Aug-28-13 3:18 PM

Puke: $4,800 in cell phone bills! I had no idea you could spend money so wildly. You should be in Congress.

You must be calling Ayn Rand daily for instructions. I hear she's a long way away, where it's pretty dang hot.

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Reason2Puke

Aug-28-13 2:42 PM

Zorro, in response to your state exchange question. It is similar to Henry Ford's answer when the Model T came out. You can get it in any color you like, as long as its black.

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Reason2Puke

Aug-28-13 2:40 PM

I finally see the light and am fully onboard. I saw president Obama speak yesterday and he explained that under Obamacare, healthcare costs will be cheaper than your cell phone bill. Our family cell phone bill was $4,800 last year, our medical expenses were $22,000. That is almost an 80% reduction. I don't know how he is gonna do it, but I'm there with him. Thank you president Obama, you are truly a great man and a financial genius.

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JReader

Aug-28-13 10:35 AM

Zorro,

The marketing of scooter chairs has nothing to do with capitalism. Quite the opposite, actually.

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JReader

Aug-28-13 10:31 AM

Zorro,

Once again you miss the point. When people get their health care subsidized either partially or fully they are more likely to utilize health care services. This with nothing being put in place to contain the exisitng skyrocketing costs. Medical service providers will be taxed to cover these subsidies which will guarantee that costs will continue to rise because they will pass these tax increases onto consumers.

Despite what you might think, when people have little or no personal financial responsibility in paying their medical bills some will tend to run to the doctor for every runny nose they get because they have no personal stake in paying for it. Just like now where some people will ride in a scooter when they can walk because they've convinced themselves they have "real need" and their is a system in place for them to get it for "free".

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