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Obama explains the race issue in Trayvon Martin case

July 21, 2013

President Barach Obama made a surprise visit to the White House briefing room on Friday, to make some deeply personal comments on the Trayvon Martin case....

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Fischer

Jul-21-13 4:35 PM

Ask teenage white boys if they also get watched in target, gas stations etc.....it may well be different in the south, that I wouldn't know.

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japanviking

Jul-21-13 7:07 PM

Sen. John McCain "What I got out of the president's statement, which I thought was very impressive, is that we need to have more conversation in America. I need to talk to more African-American organizations." He went on to say he thinks the self-defense law should be reviewed in his home state, too. "I'm confident that the members of the Arizona legislature will, because it is very controversial legislation," McCain said. Florida and Arizona are among 30 states with "stand your ground" laws on the books. I do not always agree with Senator McCain but I thought he was in sharp contrast to Ted Cruz and idiots just like him in their responses which immediately equated examining stand your ground laws to taking away our guns.

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japanviking

Jul-21-13 7:11 PM

I would also like to say well done to the Journal for this editorial.

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davidm

Jul-21-13 7:18 PM

..."Was it Martin's color that made him suspicious enough that Zimmerman felt the need to get out of his car and confront him?"... George Zimmerman past 2 lie detector tests. Why does this author consider him a liar? It was Martin that confronted and attacked Zimmerman as Zimmerman was walking BACK to his vehicle. The only reason he got out of his vehicle was to see where Martin was since he couldn't drive between biuldings. I believe Zimmerman wasn't even sure of Martins' colour since he told the dispatcher when asked that he looks black.

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svensota

Jul-21-13 7:56 PM

MIT: Nice going. I think you've set a new record: 13 "I" or "me's" in your self-righteous post. Seven in the first paragraph.

And, I truly believe you don't have one racist bone in your body. You have a whole skeleton of racist bones.

It's chest-pounding blowhards like you who are the dividers.

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mnsotn

Jul-21-13 8:50 PM

Watch out Sven. I think he wants to rumble.

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svensota

Jul-21-13 10:25 PM

MIT: Seven more "I's" and "me's". You're even more wonderful than you thought.

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Integrity

Jul-22-13 9:29 AM

I agree, there are large strides to be made in the area of social judgements. However, after the evidence is analyzed, acquittal, etc., it doesn't help the division when protestors unite and violence erupts over an acquittal in the justice system. Story after story of beatings, vandalism, etc in the protests for justice. You want equality, stop the division, etc, that is not the way to go about it.

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JReader

Jul-22-13 9:52 AM

"I resent it when people of another race act as though I owe them someone simply because they are of that race."

Michael, I guess I find that generalized statement quite prejudicial. (Hopefully that previous statement passed the "I" test).

We should have a conversation regarding race relations. In order to move forward requires us to make a full accounting, however. A number of issues have surfaced in the wake of the Zimmerman trial. Racial profiling, gun control, stand your ground, and the role of neighboorhood watch programs.

The one thing that sticks in my mind is more simple, I guess. Why did a 17 yr old choose violence as means to solve his preceived problem ? The evidence has Martin back at his home at one point. The timeline has him easily making it there while he was out of Zimmerman's sight. He made a violent choice that night to confront Zimmerman and it led to his own death. That fact needs to be added to the dialogue if we want to make true

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svensota

Jul-22-13 11:27 AM

Or, my favorite MIT quote: "I resent it when some activists try to use race as a means of creating dissent, dissatisfaction, and division among us. I count President Obama among this latter group."

Oh, really?

President Obama has been the greatest positive influence on American--and worldwide--race relations, more so than anyone else, since Martin Luther King.

He's only been awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace and has been elected President of the United States--twice, by a majority of Americans.

Some "activist" that Obama fellow is. But, I'm sure he doesn't live up to MIT's white-boy standards.

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notthenorm

Jul-22-13 11:51 AM

Just because people do missionary work in Africa does not mean they can't be racist. Sometimes I think it may be the opposite. My sister was talking about her church doing missionary work in Africa and more or less talked about those "poor Africans" and how they were going to show them the light by showing them God. What is it called when you assume that your way is better than theirs? I also very much applaud Obama for his thoughts on the matter. Being married to one of those poor Africans has made me realize how far we still need to come to overcome racism and racial profiling. There is nothing like being pulled over at 9:30 in the morning a block from home and being questioned what I was smoking (not in New Ulm luckily) or eating here at a local restaurant and being stared at and having the waiter talk to about us with the table next to us. I have lived in small towns and large towns and it exists.

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JReader

Jul-22-13 12:55 PM

When it comes to advancing race relations on our planet, nobody alive can stand up to Nelson Mandela, not even our beloved president...

Michael,

Do you find it acceptable when someone of the same race as you "think that you owe them something" ? Or is it just their race that you resent ? I can see where people will get upset over the "something for nothing" or the "there is a free lunch" crowd but to pin that attitude on a person's or a groups's race is way off the mark. Some would even say that it's racist...

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JReader

Jul-22-13 5:45 PM

Michael,

When you attribute the characteristics of some people to the entire group you are being prejudice. When you attribute characteristics or behaviors to a group of people merely due to the color of their skin you are being a racist.

You can decide for yourself whether those terms apply to you.

Both sides in this whole trial debate have been guilty of making gross generalizations. Each side should realize the other has valid opinions and beliefs. Leaders, such as our president, should recognize this and work to establish common ground for both sides to be able to stand on. Remember the beer summit ?

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earlthefarmer

Jul-23-13 1:26 AM

Michael: You may want to take a moment to reconsider your attitude about race. "Leaning over backwards to be civil and considerate" demonstrates veiled racism. Isn't that treating or judging someone by the color of their skin and not the content of their character? People just want to be treated fairly and with respect. If you meet someone that has a Caucasian father and an African-American mother, would you only lean over backwards 50%? Please give an example of a person of another race acting as if you owe them something simply because of their race.

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JReader

Jul-23-13 8:28 AM

"I resent it when people of another race act as though I owe them someone simply because they are of that race."

I assume you meant "something" ?

For starters, what is it they are owed by you ? Is it like welfare programs ?

Can you demonstrate to me (all of us) just how someone uses their race and race alone to get "what is owed to them" ?

Could it more likely be the case that this "owed something because of their race" is nothing more than your own perception and in reality has no basis in fact ? If this is indeed the case (and I believe it is) it can only be described as racism.

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Zorromcgee

Jul-23-13 9:29 AM

WOW! Racism was invented by the left to control free speech! Well folks the tin foil hat is tight on MT's head today! Did the left invent the "Jim Crow" laws to limit free speech? Did the left invent segregation to limit free speech? Every time I think MT has hit a new low he grabs a shovel.......

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Zorromcgee

Jul-23-13 9:48 AM

MT-so when radicals on the left marched in Selma that was racism? When radicals on the left were murdered fighting for civil rights that was racism? When radicals on the left worked for integration that was racism? MT given that you have destroyed any credibility you may have had with your comments, it might be wise not to bring credibility into the conversation.

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JReader

Jul-23-13 10:43 AM

Michael, Ill will is precisely what you hold. When you attribute a certain human characteristic simply because of their skin color you are being racist.

Your previous comment stated people feel they are owed something only because the color of their skin. I interpret the "owed something" statement to them being motivationally challenged (or lazy in layman's terms). Your statement concludes that the reason for them being motivationally challenged is due to their skin color. This implies two things: First their skin color is the cause of their challenged state; and that people of other races do not display this same challenged position. Both of those points are false.

It's wonderful that you have, and will I'm sure, help your fellow man. I really think you need to re-think your stance on attributing certain behaviors based only on one's skin color.

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notthenorm

Jul-23-13 1:47 PM

I think that although MT may not be racist he is prejudiced. I believe there is a difference. I believe we are all prejudice to some extent...especially in places like New Ulm where there is really no exposure to other people other than middle class white. Also, I want to say there is a huge difference between African Americans and Africans. Doing missionary work in Africa is not getting to know and being nice to the African Americans that live in the States. I have been to Africa a few times and have some African American friends...same color skin does not mean they have the same culture... Just another example of prejudism...thinking all people with dark skin is the same.

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GrandmaD

Jul-24-13 11:50 AM

What happened in the past in regards to slavery is horrific. I am ashamed that my country was a part of such a travesty, but I didn't do it, & I cannot change it. Sometimes I just get tired of the race card always getting played in every situation.

Our friends in Willmar moved to the other side of town because of the rise in Hispanic crime where they lived. They were accused of discrimination when they tried to reclaim items that were stolen from them. They moved after two stabbings in their neighborhood.

Relatives in Tucson say they are afraid to go out of their home at night because of crimes of illegals. They are accused of discrimination.

A classmate moved from the West side of Chicago after her pregnant friend was brutally raped by a black man. She states black on white rape is rampant. She is accused of discrimination. cont.....

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GrandmaD

Jul-24-13 12:02 PM

cont... Are they guilty of discrimination? Are they justified in feeling fear? How do we fix it?

Going back to Fischer's comment from July 21st - YES- White teenage boys, as well as white girls DO get watched at Target, in gas stations, etc. I have family down South, and white teenagers get watched there, also. Is that discrimination, also?

We have White, Hispanic, Black,& Asian friends. We all treat each other the same, & we all know there are problems with discrimination. We all feel that all races are guilty of it in some situations.

As for clutching purses in elevators and locking our car doors, we always do it because people of every color are perpetrators, and people of every color are victims as well.

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coschno

Jul-25-13 12:34 AM

GrandmaD, your anecdotes are puzzling. If your Willmar friends knew the thieves were Hispanic and tried to reclaim their items directly, why didn't they go to the police afterwards? Your Tuscon friends are afraid to go out of their homes because of the crimes of "illegals", but if the criminals were caught, they would already be deported, and if they weren't caught, there's no way to know they were in AZ illegally. Your college friend "states that black on white rape is rampant", even though (by one national study) over 75% of white and black rape victims were assaulted by members of their own race. I don't actually know if these people discriminate, but I'm certainly not convinced otherwise.

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GrandmaD

Jul-25-13 9:39 AM

coschno - Friends in Willmar reported their stolen items immediately & could see their items a few houses away from theirs. It was their word against those who took them. They were told they should take it up in court. With several Hispanics crying discrimination, they said to tell you that it wasn't worth the ill will being directed at them.

Relatives in Tucson say to tell you that they base their statements on the thousands of illegals caught. When they meet as a community to try to find solutions, they are accused of being racist. cont....

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GrandmaD

Jul-25-13 10:04 AM

cont... The rape happened several years ago. I don't know what the statistics of black on white rape was. I just said what she said at that time, which wasn't clear in my original post. He was convicted, but served very little time. Protestors claimed it was discrimination because he was black & she was white.

Again, I know that discrimination exists. I asked in these situations if this was discrimination or if they were justified in how they feel. In my opinion, my friends, relatives, & my classmate's friend were justified in how they feel.

I ask, again, how do we fix it? Just saying that they were discriminating isn't the answer because they don't feel that they were. My relatives invite anyone to come live where they do & experience what they are going through.

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Zorromcgee

Jul-25-13 4:25 PM

GrandmaD-there have been people of spanish decent in Arizona since 1540, how long have your friends lived there. Since spanish speaking people have lived there for almost 500 years, how can you assume they are illegal?

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