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Where will it end?

May 29, 2013

To the editor: Where will it end? Is it not enough that nine brilliant Supreme court judticees say it is legal to kill babies even before they draw their first breath and even some after a few......

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OldJournalCarrier

May-29-13 5:51 AM

Sorry Lerry, but your "God" is a made up ferry tale. A fantasy. And ferry tales have no place in our classrooms or courts or any other public institution.

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whattheh

May-29-13 8:00 AM

I don't think it is going to change. People have left God and the teachings of the bible. People have forgotten that Jesus died for us and now only mock him. I will pray for them all.

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bloozboy

May-29-13 8:25 AM

Dear Lerry and whattheh: You are both correct in what you say. When you read to bulk of comments to letters like these, written by Christians, you will see quite often the hatred for what is ethical and morally right. I've seen more "Christian bashing" in this comment section than anywhere! By the way: (f-a-i-r-y spells fairy. f-e-r-r-y is a boat you see on the water)

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OldJournalCarrier

May-29-13 8:39 AM

MichaelT: Can you prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster monster doesn't exist (do a Google search)? Look around at all the glorious and wonderful creations that the Flying Spaghetti Monster has created! All hail the mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster!

And thanks to everyone with the spelling police for point out my mistake. I get it. You can all stop now.

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japanviking

May-29-13 8:54 AM

The point here is once again not if you believe or do not believe or if have a right to worship. The point is that this Country was not founded on the Christian Faith and the Separation of Church and State is in the Constitution so there will never n be an established "State" religion which is mandating to the citizenry what they can and cannot believe. Believe whatever you wish just do not try to force your religious beliefs or practices on others. If you want a country ruled by religion go live in an Islamic country for a while under strict Sharia Law and you may change your opinion is short order.

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cannonball

May-29-13 9:05 AM

MT; you claim God exists. can you prove it?

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cannonball

May-29-13 9:05 AM

MT; you claim God exists. can you prove it?

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tolerance

May-29-13 9:13 AM

It appears that for Larry life is all gloom and doom. He is an unhappy man. He wants to impose his personal religious beliefs on all of us. What state-endorsed religion does he propose we all follow?

He is free to post the Ten Commandments in his front yard, on his stationery, in his house, in his church. He is free to buy a billboard listing them if he so chooses. Why is it so important they be posted on publicly owned property? Our forefathers did a good job writing our constitution granting us freedom to practice whatever religion, if any, we choose; freedom to voice our opinion; freedom to travel wherever we want and when we want; freedom to live and work as we choose, etc. Now we have the ability to marry whomever we choose. Does gay marriage personally affect Larry? I would guess not so why not live and let live.

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MNcommonsense

May-29-13 9:25 AM

notogop-- Those churches attract people to your community, they also are local business income generators, since they bring above average wages to your community in the form of teacher, professor, administrator, director, professional staff salaries.

You also need to study how all the Lutheran and Catholic families subsidize the New Ulm Public School by generating income through a variety of sources (local property taxes, bus income, etc.), yet do not enter your buildings. Your already struggling public school would face a dire financial crisis if the parochial schools closed their doors and you had to provide classroom space and teachers for them.

Some of the employees at Menards, Kwik Trip, Kraft, 3M and other New Ulm businesses have transferred to this community because of our parochial schools and churches.

But if you do not want a separation of church and state I'm sure we would be happy to set the foundation of a theocracy here in America.

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JReader

May-29-13 9:37 AM

The issue really isn't if God exists or not. The real problem lies with man. Start by asking yourself these questions: Is there a universal God ? Just to clarify, is there one notion of God that all believers subscribe to ? And more importantly, is there one set of of laws and rules that all believers subscribe to ? Even within Christianity can all believers say they have a universal set of beliefs ?

When you have freedom of religion like we do you cannot use only one set of religious values in which to base our laws because people don't all subscribe to the same set of beliefs.

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bloozboy

May-29-13 7:00 PM

OK...Lerry says if we would follow God's laws, this would be a better place to live. I agree. Now, how could any of these Ten Commandments make it a WORSE place to live? You shall have no other Gods but me. You shall not make for yourself any idol, nor bow down to it or worship it. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy. Respect your father and mother. You must not kill. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not give false evidence against your neighbour. You must not be envious of your neighbour's goods. You shall not be envious of his house nor his wife, nor anything that belongs to your neighbour. ...JUST ASKING...

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OldJournalCarrier

May-29-13 8:05 PM

MichaelT: Since you choose to put words in my mouth, show me _exactly_ where I said God does not exist. I said "your God is a fairy tale". My God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, certainly does exist. I know it with all my heart because other people tell me so (who needs all that scientific mumbo jumbo when I have my faith to rely on). And I said, look around at all the glorious and wonderful creations that he has created. I believe we should start teaching kids as early as possible about the ways of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (some might choose to call it brainwashing, if you will). Our country would be much better off if we did....

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japanviking

May-29-13 8:52 PM

Michael T how is "prohibiting the federal (not state or local) government from passing any laws that establish an official state religion" not a separation of church and state? While it may not say the exact words "separation of church and state" that is clearly the intent. Also it does not change the point of my post which was NO ONE should be allowed to force their religious beliefs on anyone else and certainly not on an entire populace.

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OldJournalCarrier

May-29-13 9:06 PM

MichaelT: So you're saying your religion is more serious than mine? Is your religion also valid than mine? Because I'm pretty sure all religions are equal under the constitution, are they not?

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tinfoil

May-30-13 4:22 PM

I am a Christian and I believe that there should be a major separation between church and state. Nobody should have a religion or religious beliefs imposed on them. I feel like the author of this letter needs to realize that there is a bigger world out there than Sleepy Eye, and a bigger world out there than the state and the country. Christianity is not the only religion and being a Christian is not the only way for a person to have good morals. Lerry, I'm glad you feel this way, but don't make me share the same beliefs as you.

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svensota

May-30-13 10:04 PM

And, here are a few other bedrock institutions on which the wellbeing of society is built:

Colleges and universities.

The judicial system, including, especially, the Supreme Court.

Labor unions.

The medical community.

Banking and commerce.

Bars and taverns. (Nah, just kidding. Well, maybe not.)

Now, try ranking the above, along with churches, in order of impact and importance...and "wellbeing".

Feel free to add or delete to the list.

Whoever comes up with the correct answer gets a free subscription to the New York Times or The Journal. Your choice!

MIT will be the sole judge and jury.

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GrandmaD

May-31-13 9:24 AM

I do not know the author of this letter but have been told that he is 90/91-years-old. If that is so, I have to give him credit for standing by what he has always believed in his heart for nearly a century.

I don't view Mr. Peichel as wanting to impose his religious beliefs on everyone or having a state-endorsed religion as has been suggested. I view him as a Christian who, in his eyes, feels that his beliefs and traditions that he has known, followed, & lived by for nearly a century are being taken away.

I respect him for standing up for his rights as a Christian & for that which has guided him spiritually for all of his 90 plus years. It's life as he has always known it, & even if he tried, I don't believe he could change what he feels in his heart.

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LJGibbs

May-31-13 9:52 AM

Michael, you confuse me. I am not trying be a smart aleck here, but in one of the long debates on the gay marriage issue, I remarked that there was too much taunting and mocking and could it stop. You replied that the Bible says God shall mock those that disagree (I don't recall the exact quote.). Now you are scolding people for their mean spirited comments on this website? Not trying to be mean of course, but for awhile there, you were one of the worst. Or was that just my perception and I am wrong, again? Or is it okay for you to do it because the Bible tells you so? I frankly admit I don't understand where you are coming from.

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svensota

May-31-13 11:38 AM

MIT: Do you include your own pompous put-downs in your condescending view of mankind?

I may have to come up with a new moniker for you. How about: The Great Pharisee?

Has a nice ring of truth to it, wouldn't you agree?

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LJGibbs

May-31-13 5:31 PM

That's okay, I'm sure you are way too important and busy to "pay attention" to the lowly screen name of anyone else.

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LJGibbs

May-31-13 7:32 PM

I will if you will

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svensota

May-31-13 10:29 PM

O Great Pharisee: You are the perfect one.

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LJGibbs

Jun-01-13 7:55 AM

In the many, many comments back and forth here, at times you have belittled things that I and many others have wrote. I am not going to go back through the hundreds of comments for specifics. At one point, I commented that there was too much taunting and mocking and could it stop and you made fun of that and quoted the bible and said that it said God shall mock those that disagree and it appeared you were saying God gave you permission to mock the rest of us that might disagree with you. So yes, my perception is that you have been insulting, condescending, arrogant and imperfect, just like the rest of us are at times. So, I will take a good look in the mirror if you will too.

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LJGibbs

Jun-01-13 9:26 AM

I get such a kick out of anonymous "disagrees" on these comments. Do you disagree that I perceived something? Do you disagree that I need to take a good look in the mirror? Well, I disagree. Ironically, I often agree with Michael's messages, just not the delivery.

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LJGibbs

Jun-01-13 11:07 AM

Perception has a lot to do with the difference between an insult and disagreement. Svensota has a wicked sense of humor, is being sarcastic and is trying to get a rise out of you. By wicked here I mean funny, not evil. Some of your comments I have perceived as insults. Not just to me but to others. I also understand that the written word can convey differently than the spoken word. I hope you are not saying you are always right, which I don't think you are, but that is what many often perceive about your comments. Keep fighting the fight you believe in, but try not to take us detractors so seriously and please let us have our right to disagree. Sometimes I just make inane comments to see how others react, it amuses me. God bless and peace be with us, we need it!

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