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Tell legislators to protect marriage

May 10, 2013

To the editor: Remember last year when opponents of the Marriage Amendment to the MN constitution said “We already have a law against same sex marriage; we don’t need this amendment”? Well guess......

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TheMichaelTshow

May-14-13 10:33 AM

Step right up! Witness the greatest show on earth. The beginning of the end of the beginning of the end is the twisting and turning between one and ten. The puzzle never ends, make your demons your friends it's the beginning of a road that leads right back to. The Beginning.

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Ring2003

May-14-13 8:41 AM

Again, talking out of both sides of your mouth Michael. If half of the churches, as you state, are on the other side of this issue, than you are infringing on their religious rights by forcing your anti-homosexual bias, aren't you? And you want the government to enforce this too? Way to stomp on religious freedoms.

Moot point anyway. The governor signs the bill today. I hope your head doesn't explode or your life isn't too terribly altered when others finally receive the same rights you already enjoy.

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Rellab

May-12-13 9:27 PM

@mnsotn maybe you'll kindly indulge me on why I'm a bigot? Or are you making brainless assumptions again?

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Avoice

May-12-13 10:16 AM

Happy "Parent 1" or "Parent 2" day.

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PastResident

May-12-13 8:47 AM

"The issue at hand has nothing to do with..."

And the last "issue at hand" (the amendment) had nothing to do with actually legalizing marriage in the state of MN either, did it?

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MichaelT

May-12-13 8:21 AM

Ring2003: Another observation - I don't know where you get the notion that "the church" does not allow people to think for themselves.

The Church exists to proclaim the word of God as it is set forth in the Bible. As it is proclaimed, it receives one of two reactions. Either it is accepted or it is rejected.

Those who accept the word of God act freely and willingly when they allow that word to guide their thinking and their lives. The church does not force anyone to believe and obey.

Those who reject the word of God are free to do so. The church does not force anyone to submit to the word.

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MichaelT

May-11-13 11:58 PM

Ring2003: Just an observation - You seem to have a rather monolithic view of "the church." You seem to think that if any church opposes something, all churches should be held responsible for that church's position.

In your last post you mentioned "the church's" position on several issues from America's past. Different churches stood on different sides of all of those issues. If you put all churches on the same side of those issues, you are probably misrepresenting the views of half of them.

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MichaelT

May-11-13 11:35 PM

Ring2003: You ask to be enlightened, so here you go. I can't speak for "the church," I can speak for myself and what is taught in my church.

What societal changes has the church opposed, and actually been right about? Two come immediately to mind.

1. SEX OUTSIDE MARRIAGE - The Bible teaches it is sin, so my church opposes it. Before the '60s society as a whole looked upon fornication with a disapproving eye. Society now thinks nothing of unmarried people "living together." My church continues to oppose this lifestyle.

Was this change in society a positive one? Did the change benefit society? Did it help the women involved in these relationships? Did it help the children they produced? Hardly.

2. ABORTION - The Bible (and my church) condemns abortion as murder. Society used to agree, but now many have changed their minds. Has the change been positive? Made society better? Has it been a blessing to the ones who were aborted? No.

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Ring2003

May-11-13 10:44 AM

And what exactly would goals of these leaders be, Michael? What evil plot are voters unknowing pawns to? What political gains do they hope to accomplish? Equal rights under the law- why is that so hard for you to grasp? Have some changed their minds on the issue? Of course. That is how positive social change takes place.

And please enlighten me- what societal change has the church opposed and actually been right about? Voting? Women in power? Interracial marriage? Individuals from other denominations holding office? The church does not attempt to advance society. It does the opposite- and to its detriment.

The "indoctrination" you speak of has to do with not letting individuals think for themselves. Whose agenda does that describe?

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MichaelT

May-11-13 12:30 AM

If you will look at my previous comment, you will note that I was referring to the goals of the LEADERS of the political left. I was not speaking of their followers.

There are no doubt many people out there who sincerely believe that homosexuals should have their relationships legally recognized as marriages. The LEADERS of the left view the desires of these people as a means to achieve their goals.

For example, President Obama now supports gay marriage, but until last year he held the opposite view. Why the change? He saw the gay marriage movement as a way of advancing his political agenda of "fundamentally changing" America. His support of gay marriage is not an end unto itself; it is a means to an end.

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coschno

May-10-13 10:50 PM

Very sage comments here. I can't believe so many different people sussed out our plot to destroy families, children, and religion by letting two people that love each other receive a civil marriage.

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mnsotn

May-10-13 10:38 PM

I would expect a comment such as that from a bigoted heaths such as yourself, rellab.

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Zorromcgee

May-10-13 12:28 PM

Maybe we should look at protecting marriage from those who advocated forced marriage, who said women had no rights in a marriage, who advised abused spouses to stay in the marriage, those who said that they would not marry mixed race couples. of course I am referring to organized religion.

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JReader

May-10-13 10:42 AM

The issue at hand has nothing to do with forced indoctrination of children. It has to do only with affording legal, government sponsored rights to couples who are in loving and committed relationships.

Any notion that this is somehow a great left wing conspiracy to overpower "average Americans" is nothing short of crazy.

What this does teach our children is that we can strive and succeed to be a society based in inclusion. And when we do succeed at this we as a nation become stronger. We can reach the realization that even though we are different in many ways we can learn to get along to work and live side by side. Although we may have differing political, religious, and social views we all can agree that all people deserve to be treated equally and fairly when it comes to the application of our laws.

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Rellab

May-10-13 10:12 AM

@mnsotn

Comparing this to Hitler? Are you crazy? Stop overreacting, Drama Queen.

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mnsotn

May-10-13 7:59 AM

You are absolutely correct, MT. This will not be good enough. The biggoted heathens will not stop until our churches are closed, our ministers are in jail for preaching the Gospel, and our schools are forced to tell our students that a homosexual lifestyle is good.

No sir, this is not merely about legal "rights", it is about forced acceptance of their lifestyle by society. Even Hitler knew that the way to change a society's views was to brainwash the kids, and that's exactly what has been happening over the last 2 decades.

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MichaelT

May-10-13 7:33 AM

Why have the leaders of the political left adopted the cause of homosexuals as their own?

What they want, above all, is to expand the power and influence of the intellectual elite over the average American. They know that they cannot do this unless they attack and break down the moral authority and influence of the traditional family and the church. By supporting homosexual "marriage", they attack both family and church.

What will happen when gay marriage is adopted? Will the attack on family and church end there? By no means! The next steps will be forced indoctrination of children against the wishes of their parents and limitations on the freedom of churches and individuals to live according to the dictates of their consciences.

This is only the beginning...

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yunosmart

May-10-13 2:46 AM

It's really not about that stuff at all. It's more about making sure that people can marry whoever the*****they want, without the government butting in. I thought Republicans favored smaller government?

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