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U.S. soybeans in demand in China

Wurtzberger among Minn. farmers who tour production facilities in China

April 18, 2013

NEW ULM — A Sigel Township farmer recently returned from a 10-day visit to China sponsored by the Minnesota Soybean Research and Promotion Council....

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middleclassworker

Apr-18-13 2:20 AM

"...the Chinese consider food like pig ears, chicken feet, hog stomachs and butts as delicacies."

In America, we call those "hot dogs".

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OldJournalCarrier

Apr-18-13 7:38 AM

So us taxpayers subsidize our farmers, who then turn around and sell their crops to China (and all over the world). How is this even legal? If you receive subsidies, you should be required by law to sell your crops domestically.

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careaboutsnivelrights

Apr-18-13 8:17 AM

old journalcarrier, stop and think about what you wrote, how many times have you heard of a shortage of crops in this case corn and soybeans in the United States? don't tell me about how high our prices are, thats all part of supply and demand, we are in a Global economy, the for sale sign is out and it doesnt matter who buys our goods, foreign or domestic. The days of the subsidies are over, what I personally recieve every year isnt enough to buy a used car, the big checks are for the big boys. Once you start going to Hy_Vee and Cashwise and the shelves are empty, THEN you can complain about us selling to China. The U.S Farmer Feeds the world, always has, always will, deal with it.

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careaboutsnivelrights

Apr-18-13 8:21 AM

AND don't forget whenever this argument comes up its always "Us taxpayers subsidize farmers" Farmers are some of the biggest tax payers check it out, too bad the Web Site that posts Goverment payments doesnt also show EVERYONES tax Bill, including YOURS then lets start wagging our tongues about who doesnt pay income tax, and did you see what the Guy with the Big house in New Ulm pay? "Oh it's terrible"

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OldJournalCarrier

Apr-18-13 8:22 AM

careaboutsnivelrights: You say "The days of the subsidies are over". Please cite your sources for this -- or are you just blowing smoke?

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JReader

Apr-18-13 1:30 PM

GM received a huge "subsidy" aka bailout. Should they too only be forced only to sell their cars domestically ?

You should study the term "balance of trade" and then see if you might change your mind.

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OldJournalCarrier

Apr-18-13 2:12 PM

I'm not sure how pointing out other subsidies is particularly helpful to your cause. Other people got theirs, so you deserve yours -- is that it? Or maybe your goal is to distract people from the issue of farm subsides by trying to deflect attention?

And "balance of trade"? What are you even talking about? You mean like how our current trade with China so balanced? I see. Oh, wait -- it's not. In fact it's not even close! I think you're the one who needs to do a little studying....

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JReader

Apr-18-13 3:42 PM

Let me clue you in. If you place restrictions on subsidized products and state they can only be sold domestically where does it stop ? Is it only farm products ? What about manufactued goods ? High Tech ? Services ?

If you just want to pick on farmers that's one thing. You should at least put a little substance behind your thoughts, though.

As for trade balances, if we export goods it brings money back into our collective coffers. I know this is an oversimplification but you might at least be able to figure this concept out.

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OldJournalCarrier

Apr-18-13 3:55 PM

I'm all for getting rid of subsidies completely. Where did I say otherwise? You accuse me of picking on farmers -- let me clue you in here -- the article we're talking about IS ABOUT FARMERS.

Now, do you just enjoy trying to belittle people and boss them around when they have a different opinion than you -- or do you have anything interesting to say with regard to the article.

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deerhunt

Apr-18-13 4:58 PM

I would like to help people in need ,but last year was a record year for farmers around here, yet they recieved checks from the government , the tax payer also picked up 60% of their crop insurance premium. I agree with OJC,give money when it's needed not just write out checks regardless of need. They are also allowed to write off farm shops instead of having them on a 39.5 year depreciation schedule like other businesses. Farmers get alot of perks from the government that most businesses don't, either susidize everyone equally or no one at all . CASR is complaining about how much taxes they have to pay , there is only one way you have a large tax bill- make alot of money-farmers are fortunate to have the subsidy system they do- they should not complain about how tough it is.

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deerhunt

Apr-18-13 5:10 PM

I get the feeling that some of these people feel we are somehow in debt to the farmers for their hard work,how does it differ from anyone that goes to work everyday(maybe works shifts ,weekends,etc.) and contributes to society by their job.I don't understand how farming is put on a pedastal ,society only succeds from the input from everyone.Farmers would be in tough shape if they didn't have people making fuel , building tractors or processing grain. Their business has the same importance as every other business. To pick and choose to subsidize only a portion of the process is unfair and is also ultimately leading to only the large farmers succeeding in the end.

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middleclassworker

Apr-19-13 12:52 AM

If it wasn't for the men and women that build tractors and combines, the linemen and electricians that power their factory farms, the seed companies that develop crops that evidently don't need water to grow, (as evidenced last year), the farmers would not be doing as well as they are.

My point is that a civilized society relies on many people helping each other succeed. All of us who work contribute to that and none of us are unimportant in what we do.

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careaboutsnivelrights

Apr-19-13 12:32 PM

Did you or any of your kids go to college? get a Student Loan? You are being subsidized by my tax dollars

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deerhunt

Apr-19-13 2:35 PM

CASR- I fully paid my kids way through college, even if they had gotten a loan or grant , that is a social program. What I am talking about is giving subsidies to a for profit business that is doing well on it's own. The farmer's get more subsidies "benefits" than most business's.Property tax is taxed at a lower rate on farmland, we heavily subsisize ethanol and soy diesel,depreciation schedule for "farm" buildings is accelerated compared to other business,pay no sales tax on farm related items,grant money for manure pits,we pay 60% of your crop insurance . The more I think about it ,maybe farming has become a social program. My point is that we are broke as a nation ,(leaving our debt to our kids to repay- that is disgusting) why subsidize an already profitable business?

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Integrity

Apr-20-13 8:48 AM

Let's not forget the "farm program" that pays $20-25/acre just for planting! Unless I received some bad information (from a farmer) about the program.

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Integrity

Apr-20-13 8:50 AM

Sorry farmers, but I do think that as self-employed businesses go, you have the largest safety pillow out there. Other self-employed businesses do not have near, if any, of the safety net programs to help them out if things don't go well. The days of "losing the farm" have long been over.

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Avoice

Apr-20-13 10:10 AM

One can point all the fingers you want at someone who gets "subsidized" but you are forgetting one bit of information. Those "subsidies" were voted in by the very representatives and senators you voted for. Basically they are using your tax money to buy votes to get re-elected.

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middleclassworker

Apr-20-13 11:40 PM

We may have voted for them, but the special interests bought them.

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Integrity

Apr-21-13 3:00 PM

For some reason not one legislator will speak out against any of these programs. No one wants to touch it, so it doesn't matter who you vote in.

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Schnauser

Apr-22-13 9:31 AM

careaboutsnivelrights sure picked his name right eh' They sure got er' tough. It's their world and the rest of us are just living in it. Deal with it.

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