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Gay marriage media bias?

April 5, 2013

To the editor: Has The Journal now joined the left wing media bias in support of gay marriage? Over a week has passed since the upper front page article on a couple’s lawsuit against CA’s Propositio......

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JReader

Apr-24-13 12:19 PM

So Michael, you then admit you are only doing this for your own benefit.

It's nice to finally get that out in the open.

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JReader

Apr-24-13 9:57 AM

Michael,

when you go up to your pulpit and preach on here everyone is going to leave. We are not members of your congregation. for me, I left when they passed the plate to me .... sheesh !!!

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Ring2003

Apr-23-13 10:46 PM

Michael- some things that have evidence backing them are worthy of belief. In my opinion, there is no evidence of a god. And no, a book about a god is not evidence. That statement does not make me a better or worse person than you, as much as you would like to think otherwise.

You go right on believing you are more righteous and worthy of equal treatment under the law than others. And I hope you are someday repentant enough over how you have treated homosexuals to become a Christian again. Look at your last couple comments because according to you it sound like you are in trouble. And with that, I'm done.

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Ring2003

Apr-23-13 7:16 PM

Those individuals mentioned below that, according to Michael, are no longer Christians can repent and get back in the club, right? Meaning they can sin all they want, they just need to be sorry afterwards. That voids your argument Michael. Even you must see that.

Regarding the idea of a moral compass: Evolution of species points to the evidence that such a thing must exist. It is how species survive living in groups. Most humans (and most animals) don't attack members of their own group, hence the survival of their species. Believing something such as a moral compass exists is much different than believing all the animals lived within walking distance of the ark. Evidence vs. no evidence.

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svensota

Apr-23-13 12:00 PM

230 posts. Pretty soon The Journal is going to have to charge you guys rent.

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Zorromcgee

Apr-23-13 10:19 AM

MT to say that "A life of unrepentant sin is not consonent with Christian faith. It is, however, perfectly in line with atheism." this is your opinion. You can no more decide what is in line with any athiests thinking than you can decide who is a christian. I beleieve that is gods job, not yours. Hubris and hypocrisy do not serve you well. Humility and understanding may be christian concepts you may want to explore.

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Zorromcgee

Apr-23-13 9:24 AM

MT said "If you think a Christian may choose to live a life that is contrary to God's commands and still be a Christian, you are mistaken" SO then Jimmy Siggart, Jim Baker,Ted Haggard, Fred Phelps and Tony Alamo are not christians and you get to decide that? Every one lived contrary to god's commands and not only called themselves christian but were ordaines ministers of the gospel. So does god decide or do you decide if they are christian?

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Ring2003

Apr-23-13 7:59 AM

I've noticed you haven't answered the question of why Christians couldn't do the same thing- they are forgiven all their sins, right?

Here's your problem, Michael. You can't wrap your head around the fact that people can be good with or without god. Would acting with only self interest in mind conflict with being an atheist? No, but only because it has nothing to do with it. And a "no" answer does not mean atheists characteristically act this way. COULD atheists act self-indulgently? Sure. And some do. But so do many Christians. We are all humans, remember? Whatever you are trying to get at is beyond me. Keep up that pigeon dance.

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Ring2003

Apr-23-13 7:08 AM

Michael, Michael, Michael...

Did you even read what I wrote? Your ridiculous question has been answered several times over.

And there is not ONE "Atheist Creed" that all atheists live by. If you actually read what you Googled you would have seen that you had discovered MANY various works with that title- some simple statements, some book-length. They are people's interpretation of what it means to be an atheist- most stating in some way the choice to believe in what can be proven and not what can't (and certainly not what can be dis-proven). But thank you anyway for telling me what I think and believe.

Having a discussion with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. A player makes a valid move while the pigeon just knocks the pieces over, poops on the board and does a victory dance. And so there is no confusion, you're the pigeon in this analogy.

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Zorromcgee

Apr-22-13 10:49 PM

MT said "I did not presume to know what is in the heart and mind of ANY PARTICULAR PERSON who identifies himself as an atheist." then he said "And since you have not answered my question about whether such a person's attitude is in conflict with atheism, I suppose I will have to assume that you see no conflict" now MT, even you have to admit that is hypocritical-if you like I can provide you a dictionary definition that is generally accepted. But to deny that you ae a hypocrite is to simply lie to yourself.

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Ring2003

Apr-22-13 7:06 PM

And Michael, atheism isn't a belief system. There is not a manual to consult to see if you are in compliance or not with being a good atheist. It is simply a NON-BELIEF in a deity. That's it. Haven't we been over that already?

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Ring2003

Apr-22-13 7:02 PM

Michael- If an atheist chooses to act as you are describing in your previous post I would venture to guess he/she would be in prison. What if a Christian said, "It doesn't matter what I do because as long as I repent I'm forgiven"?. What stops a Christian from doing that? I would be willing to bet the same thing that stops an atheist from being a bad person too. People have internal moral compasses. If you choose to believe yours is because of religion, knock yourself out. My moral compass is intact and religion has nothing to do with it. Why is that so hard for you to accept?

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JReader

Apr-22-13 6:34 PM

Michael,

Your last question is based on a flawed assumption. You assume that being an athiest somehow makes someone void of leading a purposeful life. Further, your question implies that by adopting an atheist's position on the exisitance of God will lead only to leading to a self-centered life. If that were the case it would be very easy to pick out every atheist out there wouln't it ? And, if those who believe in God would never include a self-centered person. Wouldn't that also be correct ? So, to follow your question to its conclusion you would have to assume there would be no poor and giving atheists and no self-centered, rich & snobby Christians.

Now I have a question for you Micheal - if you could please answer this: Is it possible for an atheist to be a good person ?

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Zorromcgee

Apr-22-13 4:38 PM

meaningful communication is possible, but only if you agree that you are speaking in generalities, and in no way can know what athiests and agnostics believe anymore than I can know what every christian believes. There are 41,000 denominations of christian church, and every one has a different slant on the word "christian". So what makes you believe every athiest believes as you say they do?

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Zorromcgee

Apr-22-13 4:19 PM

Just because the dictionary says it does not mean everyone believe it. Can I post a defintion of "christian" and say that is what you believe? YOu can no more state what athiests and agnostics believe than I can say what every christian believes. What you have posted on this and any other board is your opinion, and no more. Please do not present your opinions as being facts.

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Zorromcgee

Apr-22-13 3:26 PM

MT-how kind of you to decide for others just what they believe. it would be kind of nice if you would be honest for a change and state that what you say is just your opinion and you really have no way of knowing what others think or beleive.

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Ring2003

Apr-22-13 2:20 PM

Okay- one more whack of the head against the wall...

Michael, you propose that atheists could just decide to act poorly and selfishly since they are acting on free-will and don't have to worry about afterlife consequences as you do (even though you contradicted yourself and stated that this doesn't matter). What of Christians? What is preventing them from acting badly as all they need to do is repent and ask for forgiveness? Seems to me, according to your logic, Christians would have a better reason for acting poorly against their fellow man since they have someone else taking the responsibility for them. I take responsibility for my own actions. I own them. How does that fit into your theory?

And for the record I am not generalizing how all Christians think. I am just putting this discussion in terms Michael can understand.

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JReader

Apr-22-13 10:30 AM

Michael,

There you go again. Making statements where you have no basis of understanding.

Atheism simply describes a person without belief in a diety. Your assumption that all morality is based on the belief in a diety is false. It is of course what you choose to believe and it works fine for you. You cannot make the broad assumption that since others don't have the same belief in a diety that you choose to believe that makes them somehow immoral.

Despite a number attempts you have failed to demonstrate this.

Your statement that an athiest belives the body dies and there is no after-life is also quite mis-guided. Many athiests are agnostic and for you to conclude that they all hold the same belief is again making a very broad assumption about something that you seem to know very little about.

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Zorromcgee

Apr-22-13 10:08 AM

there are 40,000 christian denominations, each one with a different belief system,but MT thinks that every athiest thinks the same and he knows just how they think. he is under the impression that his way of thinking, his logic is the only way. And MT, thanks for the humor, your comment to someone to not answer a question with a question was hilarious! You are one funny guy.

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Ring2003

Apr-21-13 6:53 PM

Michael- It is called doing what is right because that is what humans need to do to coexist and thrive with each other as a society. Example: If someone is in need, I help them because they need help. I do it because it is the right thing to do. Why do you require a deeper reason than that? I don't. And according to your explanations, you wouldn't help at all if there wasn't a god to thank or a heaven to earn. How sad.

And LJGibbs- My head hurts too. And the wall is cracked. I know what your friend means. Michael, in his arrogance, is not looking to learn in anyway. He is stuck in his narrow-minded world view and refuses to see anything from anyone elses' perspective.

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LJGibbs

Apr-21-13 5:45 PM

He also says to tell you that he tries not to do evil because he believes in free will and that is what he wants to do. That is why, because he wants to. I get the feeling you won't accept that, but I am done commenting too. As always, thank you who posted here, because you do get me to examine my conscience and study others points of view. God bless you all, even if you don't want him to...

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LJGibbs

Apr-21-13 5:42 PM

Why do you care what my friend thinks? I am talking to him right now and he is laughing, saying he knows you and I might as well be banging my head into a wall because you are very narrow minded and will never give credence to a point of view different than yours. His words, I have never met you.

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LJGibbs

Apr-21-13 5:32 PM

I will have to ask him. Why do you care?

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LJGibbs

Apr-21-13 4:48 PM

Hi Michael, I am not trying to be smart aleck here, but I'm confused by your post. My friend says he tries to do good because he wants to, not because a god told him to. He thinks this life is it, there is nothing after but that doesn't mean he wants to be a jerk while he is here. So that is his answer--because he wants to. If you want to be good here, so you get into Heaven later, that is wonderful. It is just not how everyone feels. My grandma always said she didn't know why non-Catholics bothered, they are going to h-ll anyway. A former co worker of mine, who was also an MLC student at the time, told me I was going to find out the hard way when I die that Catholics are wrong. Are they both right? How can that be? Two Christians with very different beliefs.

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Ring2003

Apr-21-13 11:46 AM

Okay, last comment and then I am off this rant. Michael, am I correct in understanding you feel it is okay to assume what is in the hearts and minds of a GROUP OF PEOPLE, just not INDIVIDUALS? There is a word for that too. That would be stereotyping and is the first requirement of being a bigot.

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