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Where is the Republican Plan?

March 9, 2013

To the editor: This is in response to a column by Senate Minority Leader David Hann (R-Eden Prairie) (“Dayton’s new taxes on Minnesota families” - Jan. 31). Sen....

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PastResident

Mar-10-13 8:42 AM

How often does proposed policy come from the minority party?

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Integrity

Mar-10-13 10:04 AM

They don't have a plan because they aren't in the majority in any of the branches. Maybe Mr. G should have paid better attention in class back in the day. The Republicans have input, but the budget committees in both houses consist of mainly Dems.

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middleclassworker

Mar-10-13 7:51 PM

Unless you count stripping LGA and causing my property taxes to nearly double, I would say that they never did have a plan, or at least not a very good one. It's sink or swim. The lowest taxed states have sunk to the bottom in education, jobs, workplace safety, etc. If you want good schools, good roads, good law enforcement, that all costs money.

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Schnauser

Mar-11-13 1:07 AM

MCW nailed it. It's the old bait and switch. Today's Republican Party is not interested in anything other than politically saving face while Rome burns. They do have a plan however, it's give it all to the rich and they will share with the rest of us. Where have we heard that one before. Trickling like manna, wow.

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Integrity

Mar-11-13 8:22 AM

So if a person in this state (or country) goes to school (doesn't matter level), works, builds a business or a career, and ends up being financially successful-they're the bad guys?? Isn't that what the majority of people strive for? Isn't that what you sell your kids when they are growing up? Go to school, work hard, save money, etc.-maybe then we should tell our kids-when you're successful after all that-we're going to view you as a villain/crook/cheat/etc and want to tax the H-ll out of you...

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JReader

Mar-11-13 12:03 PM

Apparently the Democrats are so inept that they can't come up with a plan and have to resort to chiding the Republicans to come up with one. They've had complete control of everything less than 6 months and can't even get anything done. Dayton is already back peddling on his grand tax plan.

As for LGA, maybe it's time cities also learn to live within their budgets just like the rest of us. Instead, they've learned to hold their hand out for their "entitlement" payments just like the rest of them.

We were once a country where we were expected to rely on oursleves to find our own way and take care of ourselves. Today too many people are expecting a free ride taken on somebody else's back. The problem is there are too few backs left for the free riders to latch onto.

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Zorromcgee

Mar-11-13 2:58 PM

JR-LGA was never the outstate holding their hands out or not living within their budgets-It was the result of what was called "THe Minnesota Miricle" It balanced the the quality of education between urban and rural and recognized that the success of the urban areas was built on the quality of worker from the rural areas. The MN miricle of 1971 was crafted by both DEMS and the GOP. It worked so well that for 30 years it was unchanged under even GOP governors.

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JReader

Mar-11-13 5:14 PM

I disagree. There is always one common theme you find in any unit of government. They will always spend every dime of money allocated to them from whatever the source whether it is needed or not. It is "use it or lose it" mentality. Outstate cities are no exception.

You could argue that in the beginning the reason behind the state funding cities was noble. But after forty years have we really equalized education in this state by funneling money to cities ? Or have we simply created another instance where one unit of goverment has become nothing more than a dependent of a larger unit of government ?

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middleclassworker

Mar-11-13 8:19 PM

OK JReader...let's start by cutting public housing subsidies such as Broadway Haus and Garden Terrace. Oak Hills may as well lose its funding, too. We can also eliminate the Heartland Express. Let's also board up the EDA office.

I suppose we could neglect our infrastructure and deal with the problems as they arise. Perhaps the city could close down the rec center and civic center, since these aren't really essential services.

I swear, the only thing that you Republicans ever want to spend taxpayer money on is more military spending and more wars.

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middleclassworker

Mar-11-13 8:23 PM

Integrity, many of us genuinely have no problem with successful people being wealthy. That is a good thing, that is the American Dream. The problem lies when the success of their business relies on taxpayers subsidising their workforce because they don't pay a living wage.

Would this country be better off if Walmart never existed? I and thousands of small businesses across America would say "yes".

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middleclassworker

Mar-11-13 9:42 PM

Obviously, the person who disagreed with my last comment supports the exploitation of employees at taxpayer expense.

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Integrity

Mar-12-13 8:27 AM

MCW-Walmart didn't wake up one day as the largest corporation in the world. It was a successive progression of expansion - again - something every small business would love to do. Expand, grow, etc...That's how all the large companies started - the American Dream. Livable wage - another created term to justify subsidies. In this country, if you aren't happy with your situation - CHANGE IT. Go back to school, get another job, get motivated, work hard for a promotion, etc!!! The opportunities are endless, don't just sit there and say I don't make enough, please govt. fix it for me.

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Zorromcgee

Mar-12-13 9:20 AM

Integrity -Why don't you go out to walmart and tell those people that they have many other options-tell them they are lazy and should get a better job-tell the senior citizen and the guy in the wheelchair that the opportunities are endless and they are just putting their hand out to the government. BTW-one can only assume your name is an ironic joke.

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Zorromcgee

Mar-12-13 9:24 AM

JR-I think what you will find is that without LGA many of the small towns in this state would be gone-and the quality of both life and the workers that life produces would be gone. One of the reasons for the success of the twin cities area is the high quality of the workforce produced in rural MN. Since the metro gets the benefit is it wrong for them to help sustain it?

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JReader

Mar-12-13 12:09 PM

MCW,

There was a time when people provided their own means to pay for their housing. Too many people today feel they are owed something which gets harder for me to understand every day. Some people need to stop making the career choice of "self-victimization".

Garden Terrace isn't subsidized unless you include the fact that the EDA refuses to sell it and by doing so the city and county are denied the opportunity to collect property tax revenue. You could argue that since they are owned by the EDA and pay no taxes the people who live there get a break. The problem is there is no income test to be allowed to to rent there. The rest of us property tax payers pick up the slack though. This allows many folks to spend there summers here and winters in much warmer climates.

I'm not a Republican. I for one think we need to wind down all of our bases in Europe. It's high time the EU stand on its own two feet. The U.S. has been footing the bill for NATO for far to long.

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Integrity

Mar-13-13 7:40 AM

Z: I think I just did tell them that. Also, you picked 2 dynamic groups in your last statement-the elderly and disabled. BOTH of those groups have numerous programs that help them-that's great-all for it! I'm talking about the majority-and you called them lazy, not me. I also never said making these changes would be easy. Talk to any social worker-county, non-profit-they all have stories to show that it can be done-single mother, no education-makes a change, now an RN with help, hard work, & sacrifice! Sacrifice-now that's a new word for many-surprised the Journal doesn't *** it out-in this day and age it's a swear word.

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Zorromcgee

Mar-13-13 10:03 AM

Integrity-a quote for you- The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith - to not see yourself in this quote is blindenss indeed.

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Zorromcgee

Mar-13-13 12:00 PM

Since the seems to be so many JKG fans on here- Few can believe that suffering, especially by others, is in vain. Anything that is disagreeable must surely have beneficial economic effects. John Kenneth Galbraith

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Integrity

Mar-13-13 5:51 PM

Z: as always, you tend to drift to attacking commentors instead of debating the issue. Next time stick to attacking the issue, not the person debating the issue and your points will be carry more weight. I'm done.

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middleclassworker

Mar-13-13 7:25 PM

Yes, JReader, I agree that there was once a time when people provided their own means for housing. Wouldn't it be great to be able to return to those times when one income could support a family and every full time job provided health benefits and a pension? Good luck with all that.

The 1% created this mess, let them pay the tax to support the slave labor they have cast on the taxpayers.

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middleclassworker

Mar-13-13 7:32 PM

Integrity, thanks for the advise.

Actually, I am very happy with my work situation, but the low-balling competition is making the future not-so-bright.

I will take your advise if things turn sour: I will hire a bunch of under-qualified employees, pay them poverty wages and let the taxpayers pick up the "benefit package". Maybe I can be the next Walton Family!

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Integrity

Mar-13-13 11:38 PM

Don't worry, once the Dems get done with this state, we'll all be paying for it. Now they went from trying to tax clothes and services to proposing to tax snack food. I guess they're figuring to only tax the top 1% again with this as the top earners are the only ones with accountants, plumbers, electricians, etc, and the only ones buying snack foods. Also, the top 1% are the only ones drinking and smoking, so they're also proposing a large increase on taxing those items as well. And I quote from last Oct: "We will not increase taxes on the middle class".

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Zorromcgee

Mar-14-13 9:23 AM

Int-"as always"? if I have told told you once I have told you a billion times don't exagerate-So you feel my comment on the irony of your name is an"attack"? perhaps you and MT can form a support group to console each others hurt feelings. because when it comes to our poorest citizens you two seem to be the ones on the attack. You two are the ones who see our working poor as the cause of you problems. Do I attack people rather than debate ideas? perhps when I see the arrogant, pompous.self-righteous and condesending attacking those less fortunate, then yes I will defend those who cannot defend themselves. And it is sad that most of your "issues" are the behaviors of people you don't like.

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Integrity

Mar-14-13 9:47 AM

Sorry, I said I was done, but this is too funny not to point out. MY POINT: if you don't like your situation (job, income, etc) YOU have the opportunity and resources in this country to change that. Since that point, Z's called these people (we were talking about Walmart workers at the time) lazy and poor! And I'm the "self-righteous, condenscending, etc." one? Hello pot, this is kettle...

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Zorromcgee

Mar-14-13 9:57 AM

int-I call them how you characterize them-you seem to feel that they are the cause of your problems-it is similar to you seeming to be unable to see tax breaks for the rich as a gov handout, but helping the poor is fostering gov dependence. And I can take it, hit me with your best shot. I will not whine about "personal attacks".

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