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John Adams warned of this

February 25, 2013

To the editor: In 1787 John Adams, one of our country’s founding fathers, wrote a treatise called “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States....

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svensota

Mar-09-13 4:23 PM

MIT: Yes, but it certainly discourages me from taking your views seriously and responding to them.

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svensota

Mar-08-13 5:20 PM

MIT: Odd, but I feel much the same about what you write.

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svensota

Mar-07-13 10:44 PM

Ah, geez. Enough with the strict constitutionalist malarkey. Just have President Obama issue an Executive Order.

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MNcommonsense

Mar-07-13 11:32 AM

Michael -- I definately believe in the American people, that is why I trust in our American government and the thousands of American federal employees that work for our nation. They are our family members, our neighbors, they attend our churches and volunteer and contribute to our charitable institutions.

The irony of your idea is that if the reins of federal social programs were passed to private organizations they surely would need to enlarge,add staff,add more and possibly end up resembling the bloated federal programs they replaced.

Why not clean-up the programs that need cleaning and support those that are working (both federal and private). The needs will always be there.

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MNcommonsense

Mar-07-13 11:06 AM

Michael -- Politics can be positive vehicles to organize people of similar thoughts and beliefs, but when the American public vote these politicians into offices of government they can't forget why they are there.

Everyone has an agenda and when two opposing agendas collide then politicians need to compromise for the good of those for whom they govern, that's the nature of American government. But when we get politicians who refuse to find that middle ground, then we get an America that just doesn't work, everyone begins to suffer, we undermine ALL of our freedoms.

We also need to watch our retoric and not forget Who places government over us, that doen't mean that we stop making decisions based on Scriptures. It means that we recognize when we have stepped over the line and both Republicans and Democrats have stepped over that line. It saddens me to see good Christians not just critique our leaders, but to vehemently attack them, that is a sin against God.

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MNcommonsense

Mar-07-13 10:38 AM

PastResident -- Large events like Hurricane Katrina almost crippled the Red Cross, the Salvation Army is located mainly large and medium size American cities. Please investigate the data and see the scope of America's problems, they dwarf the resources of any one organization or even groups of them.

I do support the organizations you mentioned and they do great work in their regional areas, but also investigate what happened to privately funded institutions since 2008, as the needs increased across America, these groups saw their income decrease. We can't establish a reliable safety net based on that reality.

This "experiment" of the United States of America and it's federal government, one which thousands of Americans have died to defend especially in the Civil War, how has it become an "evil" thing. There is a strength of 50 states working together to meet America's challenges. We face many challenges within our population, some can be more effectively met as

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PastResident

Mar-06-13 9:17 PM

A short list of non-governmental agencies willing to step up:

Red Cross Salvation Army St. Judes Disabled American Veterans Wounded Warrior Project

Local agencies like: Someplace Safe Food Shelves Churches

And yes, Friends and Families helping each other.

We privately send hundreds of millions of dollars to foreign nations for their aide. I think we could take care of ourselves if we needed to.

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svensota

Mar-06-13 6:39 PM

JR: I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I'll go along for the ride.

No, it doesn't have to be the FEDERAL government providing appropriate relief. But, the welfare of the poor and the defenseless also shouldn't come down to the whims and resources of sporadic individuals, in my opinion. That didn't work very well for about 19 centuries, maybe 42, or 110, or 8,345, depending on your beliefs.

So, should STATES be the ones to step up and do the job? I'd rather they would. But, would they? Do they? Sometimes, depends on where you are. RomneyMassCare works well. AlabamaCare would be a scary proposition. The concept of separate sovereign countries, that is, states, largely disappeared after the Civil War. Some kind of national uniformity seems to be preferred by the vast majority. But, what do The Great Unwashed know, right?

There that Lincoln goes again.

You guys!

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MNcommonsense

Mar-06-13 3:50 PM

Michael -- There was a time in America when people were not so mobile, families had there own support structures, you not only could count on your own parents, but also brothers and sisters, grandparents, aunts and uncles and cousins. Communities also had their own support structures: churches, American Legion, farmers co-op, this has declined over the years. Finally, American business used to take care of their employees, they offered health care benefits, pension benefits, housing benefits, school allowance, profit-sharing, etc. this also has declined.

We can wish for the past but sadly it is not going to change. The reality is how are we able to care for those in need around us now.

It is time that we put partisan politics aside and work together to remove the fraud and corruption that can be found in those government programs that were created to help not hurt.

I believe in America, I believe God uses America to carry out His wishes and desires.

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svensota

Mar-06-13 1:28 PM

Well, yes, I agree totally, JR.

Your solution will work perfectly in a 19th century agrarian society.

Which is where you are both politically and geographically.

Vote for Grover Cleveland!

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MNcommonsense

Mar-06-13 11:13 AM

Michael, I would like a list of individuals, organizations, or local governments that can handle the needs of the less fortunate in America. The sheer scope and volume of the working poor, unemployed, disabled, orphaned, homeless, go well beyond the resources you refere to.

I would love to know the church you belong to also, because it must have an amazing array of community social programs (soup kitchen, day care facilities, medical clinic,orphanage, etc.) I am sure you lead by example.

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Integrity

Mar-04-13 1:45 PM

ZM-agreed, but both systems are leaking money terribly. We aren't going to get ahead if you close loopholes, etc as you suggest but let all sorts of funds fly out the window at the bottom half. Currently, there is more incentive to depend on the programs than there is to go out and find employment for a lot of situations.

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Zorromcgee

Mar-04-13 10:56 AM

If we are to look at reform for the welfare of our poorest citizens then we need also look at reforms for a much bigger expense-corperate welfare. If those who oppose big goverment are truthful then they should rail against the socialsitic nature of our governemnt supporting big business. They should fight against the Gov. selling mining rights for $5 an acre to rich corperations, they should fight when the gov gives technology to corp's who then make billions, they should fight against tax breaks and bailouts for big corps. They should protest against huge companies that pay no taxes but enjoy all the profits. They should fight against artificial price supports and subsidies as being anti-free enterprise. After they have done this, then they should maybe look at the poor.......

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Integrity

Mar-04-13 9:15 AM

We should make these government programs public knowledge. Any employee's salary employed by the state or federal govt is public knowledge, as well as police records, delinquent taxes, etc. Why should these people have autonomy? Print the welfare and county/state assisted individuals in the paper locally, monthly with the dollar amounts. It's public money, don't we have a right to know where it's going??

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GopherState

Mar-04-13 1:14 AM

What an unchristian statement, MT.

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Integrity

Mar-03-13 4:12 PM

The American, Constitutional Promise: Equal Opportunity, Not Equal Outcome. In the real world, there are no medals for participation, and there is a score kept (a winner, loser) and there are consequences for decisions made. "Unfortunate" is a bit of a silly scenario. With all the opportunities available - schooling, employment, etc. - how can you be "unfortunate" if you pick yourself up and get after something?

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middleclassworker

Mar-03-13 12:35 PM

I give what I can, MT. You have to remember that some 40% or so of the resources are in the hands of 1% of America. The day they start putting it on my paycheck is the day I can afford to do more for the unfortunate. Until then, we will have to tax them to support the unfortunate.

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svensota

Mar-02-13 6:59 PM

Dear MIT:

I think you bring up some very good points in your last post.

First of all, that's a fabulous idea to actually pull out guns and take your money. Kind of a Robin Hood slant on the deal. I like your thinking!

Secondly, as far as a scheme to get the poor to vote for us--well, duh now. However, don't you also think that all the Mitt rich-guy rhetoric was aimed at WASP country club types to get them to vote for Repub/TPers? And, how about that Republican switch-er-roo in in the Deep South that Nixon engineered? You guys must be very proud of your Confederate brethren (Yiii-yiii-yiii-hah!).

Thirdly, as far as using my own resources when yours are more readily available, well, that ain't gonna happen.

I love the tyranny of the majority. Oh, no, wait, that's the French. We're a republic. Sort of.

Anyway, don't worry about all this stuff. Just pay up and pay more. We'll take care of everything...for everybody.

Thanks for everything.

Your pal,

sven

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PastResident

Feb-28-13 8:16 PM

"...the average monthly food support benefit in MN is $131..."

That may be hard to work with, if that was all that was available.

Don't forget that those who are on the gvmt assistance can also get help from local food shelves. And often times additional help from their churches.

Insisting on raiseing taxes to provide additional support for those in unfortuneate circumstances leaves less money in our pockets to help our neighbors directly.

If my taxes are raised enough that I can no longer afford to donate to my local food shelf, how does that benefit my community?

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Zorromcgee

Feb-28-13 3:35 PM

MT-you can say anything you want about my character-the first amendment gives you that right. Sven-your humor brightens my day, I enjoy your posts.

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svensota

Feb-28-13 2:21 PM

Zorrom, stop it. Stop it right now.

MIT, go to your room. Stay there until your father gets home.

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Zorromcgee

Feb-28-13 1:32 PM

Slander? No, you do not attack the gov programs you attack the poor. If you want to sue me for slander please do so-your posts will be my entire case. Your church has had 2000 years to help the poor,is its record even as good as the governemnts has been for the last 40 years? You say the enemy is big governemnt but you blame the poor. I need say nothing more than that to describe your character.

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Zorromcgee

Feb-28-13 12:34 PM

MT-Just admit you hate the poor-I do not see those less fortunate than myself as the enemy. I do not blame them for my or anyone elses problems. I do not think they are the cause of our nations problems either. I am sure there is some working poor you can harrass in New Ulm, maybe you can make a day of it.

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svensota

Feb-28-13 12:16 PM

MIT: I like hanging out with friends and enjoying their company.

Thanks for picking up the tab. Keep working and paying those social security taxes!

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svensota

Feb-28-13 12:13 PM

Norway!

Now there's a country close to my heart.

It's nearly perfect in every way, especially it's highly intelligent and delightfully charming people.

Did Zorrom get into the "happiness index". Check out those socialists. They're ecstatic about life.

Did I say "they", I meant "we".

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