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Is America at a Generational Crossroad?

January 23, 2013

To the editor: On January 22 it was the 40th anniversary of Roe vs. Wade, and so it seems appropriate to take some time to reflect on our country’s decision regarding abortion....

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PolkaRocks

Jan-23-13 3:00 AM

60 million kids that you right wingers don't want to feed cloth or educate

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superduper

Jan-23-13 8:28 AM

The Federal Health Care Law does not pay for abortions. Federal dollars cannot be used to pay for abortions.

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japanviking

Jan-23-13 9:13 AM

My only problem with these types of letters is that they always bring religion into the conversation. We have a separation of Church and State for many reasons and the Supreme Court cannot make decisions based on any religious text including the Christian Bible. While I appreciate and applaud everyone's right to worship I also appreciate and applaud anyone's right to not worship if they so chose. No one religious group or entity should ever be allowed to impose their beliefs or doctrines on those who do not share the same views. When you Govern and make laws based on religious text of any kind you are no longer a Democracy or a free Republic you become a theocracy. Most of the Middle East is Governed that way I am am fairly certain none of us in America would like to live that way and give up our freedom.

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Integrity

Jan-23-13 9:25 AM

If morality and cultural laws (society's laws) AREN'T in some form based on some religious faith, beliefs, what are they based on then? If faith is NO WHERE to be found in Govt (separation of church & state), then why is it? Just want to admit there's a gray area in church vs state separation. I hate to be the bearer of bad news - religion does exist in the govt of today...you do have to look pretty hard for it, but it's there.

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IALAC1

Jan-23-13 9:26 AM

I was agreeing with most of Dennis's comments until I read this line: "Would this not lead all to be ineligible for heaven since we would indirectly become participants in the murder of another human being?"

My answer to that question is, "No."

Good old Father K (Kachinsky) taught that in order to be guilty of a mortal sin, three things need to happen first.

1) You have to know it's wrong. 2) You have to want to do it. 3) You go ahead and do it.

I can still see him holding up his three fingers and telling us that if one of these elements is missing (as he held down one finger) we are not guilty of the mortal sin.

This was over 40 years ago. Has this view changed?

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GrandmaD

Jan-23-13 12:56 PM

The great majority of my "left-winger" & "right winger" friends are pro-life, as am I. Some of each are pro-choice. We all want to feed, clothe, & help educate babies & children & don't appreciate being accused of constantly not wanting to.

We all believe rape & incest are brutal & heinous crimes, just as are the crimes of dismembering, crushing of skulls, & chemically burning of unborn babies.

Yes. We all believe responsibility & accountability need to play a bigger role. We don't believe women should be having five babies while on the system, nor should unborn babies be so easily disposed of.

So, what is the answer? Is there a fix? Will things change? We don't think so.

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Auntydem

Jan-23-13 12:57 PM

When health insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014, some states will have banned all abortion coverage for any insurance plan selling on that state’s exchange, through a state opt-out clause that is part of the ACA - “Obamacare”. 15 states have already passed that law. States can make that choice.

The ACA says every state must offer at least 1 plan on its exchange that does not offer abortion coverage, so individuals in states not banning coverage can still make the choice. Anyone purchasing a plan with abortion coverage will be doing so by choice and paying for it personally.

All the years I’ve had insurance I’ve never checked or noticed if it covers abortions, and if so, for what reasons. Wonder if being on a group policy that pays for abortion been of concern to opponents of the ACA in the past decades before the ACA was passed.

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GrandmaD

Jan-23-13 5:01 PM

Auntydem - After almost 43 years of insurance coverage, working & retirement, I have to say, I, too, have never checked or noticed if it covered abortions & if so for what reasons.

I, also, do not recall if being on a group policy paying for abortions were ever a concern to opponents of the ACA in the past, before the ACA was passed. I'm guessing not.

I will be losing my insurance in the near future, but I think I will be okay. Perhaps I will check on my next policy. Perhaps not. I will be taking out a policy either way.

I did notice that we each got two disagrees on our last comments. Just can't please anyone anymore, huh?

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GrandmaD

Jan-23-13 5:45 PM

should have read.... was ever a concern...., not were ever a concern

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Auntydem

Jan-23-13 10:09 PM

GrandmaD - Seeking common ground (something you do so well!) and facts seems to be very disagreeable to some.

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Zenrfanklib

Jan-25-13 7:08 AM

As someone who was in a position to have an abortion but chose not too, I can tell you there was no support from my church community for people like me. I was a young single mom and the church turned it's back on me. My baby went from something they felt strongly needed saving - to a********and an embarrassment. I felt that because I made the "right" decision, my baby should have been held up as an example, as one that survived, but alas this was not to be the case. That's when I took a closer look at the church and the contradictions it indoctrinates it members with and decided to walk away from the madness. My child is a happy and healthy adult now, and I have no regrets. But that was MY choice to make. God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes - 'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose

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GrandmaD

Jan-25-13 10:25 AM

Zenrfanklib - I don't know what church you belonged to at the time, but I do know that my Catholic church was not supportive at all. My siblings, who are older than me, tell me that if anyone got pregnant, they had to go to the Public school & were not welcome at the Catholic school. I witnessed that, also. Pregnant girls have been able to finish their education in their Catholic schools for many years now, but, some who experienced it were still put to shame.

I have a friend whose daughter went to MVL in its early years. She got pregnant & had to go to all the classrooms & publically apologize to all the students. Another friend's daughter had to apologize in front of her church (Lutheran) congregation.

I commend you for making the choice you did & for standing proud. The only ones who should feel shame are those who put you down. For those of you who are going to disagree, you are in denial because these things happened.

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EaglesFan

Jan-25-13 2:21 PM

I've heard of MVL publicly shaming their pregnant students before, as well. Yes, the student made poor choices, but public humiliation in a case like that is just wrong on so many levels. That doesn't sound like what I would expect to come from a "Christian" school.

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GrandmaD

Jan-25-13 5:50 PM

I agree, EaglesFan. Christian schools aren't always so Christian. My gut feeling tells me that this lady's experience happened in a Catholic school, but no matter where it happened, it was wrong.

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GrandmaD

Jan-26-13 1:20 PM

Michael - Are you referring to my Catholic school forcing pregnant girls to go to the Public school because they were no longer welcome? If so, there is nothing Christian about that, & if there is, please enlighten me. Or........

Are you referring to schools & churches (Catholic & Lutheran & others)) subjecting pregnant girls to public humiliation? There is nothing Christian about shaming & degrading someone in front of her peers. If there is, please enlighten me on that, also.

The young lady who bravely shared her experience was abandoned by her church community. Enlighten me, also, on how that is Christian.

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GrandmaD

Jan-26-13 6:14 PM

The love of my Christ is my motivating force to embrace & treat young pregnant girls with dignity & respect. I will never believe that I am contributing to the moral decay that surrounds us in our country by doing so.

I'm hoping that schools/churches refrain from such practices nowadays, or should I say I'm hoping they have surrendered to the worldly view of what Christian is. If schools/churches do still engage in such practices, I guess it is their business. I still agree with EaglesFan that it is wrong on all levels.

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GrandmaD

Jan-26-13 6:18 PM

I'm referring to the demeaning practices mentioned earlier...public apologies, etc.

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GopherState

Jan-26-13 8:45 PM

Michael, their suicides can be on your conscience then.

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GopherState

Jan-26-13 8:51 PM

The Christian thing to to is for one or two people to sit down with the person that they are concerned about and talk with them about how their unrepentant sins are dangerous for their soul. They should do this in a loving way, with concern and compassion. If the person serves a public position, such as a pastor, it may be necessary for a public apology, but I can't think of any time when it is appropriate to parade a young girl in front of her peers and have her publicly apologize for her sins. That can be done with a smaller group.

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GrandmaD

Jan-26-13 9:07 PM

GopherState - Very well stated. That is how it should be handled. That is the true Christian way.

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GrandmaD

Jan-27-13 10:51 AM

Michael - Actually, your words were that if people don't agree with those methods of discipline, they are free to attend school elsewhere. Also, you wanted someone to explain how those methods of discipline were acting in an "unchristian" manner. It's quite clear you support those actions.

Now you say those methods should be "suggested" so others are not encouraged to do what she has done. We all teach our children right from wrong, about sin & its consequences. The churches we belong to do, also.

There is a long list of things that are wrong, including, parading young pregnant girls in front of their peers & making them apologize or exiling them from their church community. Suggesting to do those things is wrong, also. No Bible passage is ever going to make any of that okay in my eyes, & I do read my Bible & I am a Christian. Once, again, GopherState said it best.

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GrandmaD

Jan-27-13 5:37 PM

Michael - You ask me that because I think it is wrong to demean pregnant young girls by exiling them or parading them in front of their peers or their church congregation so they may publically apologize for what happened??????

I do, for the most part, recognize my Bible as authorative, but I, also, recognize that my God would never want me to belittle or shame someone in the manners described. Unfortunately, those things happened, but they shouldn't have.

If you question my Christianity because that is how I believe, that is your right, but perhaps you should evaluate yours, as well.

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GrandmaD

Jan-27-13 7:25 PM

It just registered. I guess I should be spelling publicly as such & not publically. Supposedly it is acceptable both ways, & I have seen it both ways, but publicly should be the first choice. Sorry about that.

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GrandmaD

Jan-27-13 8:26 PM

My faith is not in danger, & neither is my Christianity. I like who I am & how I believe. "Amen."

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cestlavie

Jan-28-13 8:47 AM

MT - never wears mixed fiber clothing, doesn't eat shellfish or fraternize with menstruating women (or is unclean if he does). He never discards any teachings of the Bible.

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