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Is America at a Generational Crossroad?

January 23, 2013

To the editor: On January 22 it was the 40th anniversary of Roe vs. Wade, and so it seems appropriate to take some time to reflect on our country’s decision regarding abortion....

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Jan-23-13 3:00 AM

60 million kids that you right wingers don't want to feed cloth or educate

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Jan-23-13 8:28 AM

The Federal Health Care Law does not pay for abortions. Federal dollars cannot be used to pay for abortions.

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Jan-23-13 9:13 AM

My only problem with these types of letters is that they always bring religion into the conversation. We have a separation of Church and State for many reasons and the Supreme Court cannot make decisions based on any religious text including the Christian Bible. While I appreciate and applaud everyone's right to worship I also appreciate and applaud anyone's right to not worship if they so chose. No one religious group or entity should ever be allowed to impose their beliefs or doctrines on those who do not share the same views. When you Govern and make laws based on religious text of any kind you are no longer a Democracy or a free Republic you become a theocracy. Most of the Middle East is Governed that way I am am fairly certain none of us in America would like to live that way and give up our freedom.

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Jan-23-13 9:25 AM

If morality and cultural laws (society's laws) AREN'T in some form based on some religious faith, beliefs, what are they based on then? If faith is NO WHERE to be found in Govt (separation of church & state), then why is it? Just want to admit there's a gray area in church vs state separation. I hate to be the bearer of bad news - religion does exist in the govt of do have to look pretty hard for it, but it's there.

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Jan-23-13 9:26 AM

I was agreeing with most of Dennis's comments until I read this line: "Would this not lead all to be ineligible for heaven since we would indirectly become participants in the murder of another human being?"

My answer to that question is, "No."

Good old Father K (Kachinsky) taught that in order to be guilty of a mortal sin, three things need to happen first.

1) You have to know it's wrong. 2) You have to want to do it. 3) You go ahead and do it.

I can still see him holding up his three fingers and telling us that if one of these elements is missing (as he held down one finger) we are not guilty of the mortal sin.

This was over 40 years ago. Has this view changed?

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Jan-23-13 12:56 PM

The great majority of my "left-winger" & "right winger" friends are pro-life, as am I. Some of each are pro-choice. We all want to feed, clothe, & help educate babies & children & don't appreciate being accused of constantly not wanting to.

We all believe rape & incest are brutal & heinous crimes, just as are the crimes of dismembering, crushing of skulls, & chemically burning of unborn babies.

Yes. We all believe responsibility & accountability need to play a bigger role. We don't believe women should be having five babies while on the system, nor should unborn babies be so easily disposed of.

So, what is the answer? Is there a fix? Will things change? We don't think so.

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Jan-23-13 12:57 PM

When health insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014, some states will have banned all abortion coverage for any insurance plan selling on that state’s exchange, through a state opt-out clause that is part of the ACA - “Obamacare”. 15 states have already passed that law. States can make that choice.

The ACA says every state must offer at least 1 plan on its exchange that does not offer abortion coverage, so individuals in states not banning coverage can still make the choice. Anyone purchasing a plan with abortion coverage will be doing so by choice and paying for it personally.

All the years I’ve had insurance I’ve never checked or noticed if it covers abortions, and if so, for what reasons. Wonder if being on a group policy that pays for abortion been of concern to opponents of the ACA in the past decades before the ACA was passed.

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Jan-23-13 5:01 PM

Auntydem - After almost 43 years of insurance coverage, working & retirement, I have to say, I, too, have never checked or noticed if it covered abortions & if so for what reasons.

I, also, do not recall if being on a group policy paying for abortions were ever a concern to opponents of the ACA in the past, before the ACA was passed. I'm guessing not.

I will be losing my insurance in the near future, but I think I will be okay. Perhaps I will check on my next policy. Perhaps not. I will be taking out a policy either way.

I did notice that we each got two disagrees on our last comments. Just can't please anyone anymore, huh?

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Jan-23-13 5:45 PM

should have read.... was ever a concern...., not were ever a concern

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Jan-23-13 10:09 PM

GrandmaD - Seeking common ground (something you do so well!) and facts seems to be very disagreeable to some.

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Jan-25-13 7:08 AM

As someone who was in a position to have an abortion but chose not too, I can tell you there was no support from my church community for people like me. I was a young single mom and the church turned it's back on me. My baby went from something they felt strongly needed saving - to a********and an embarrassment. I felt that because I made the "right" decision, my baby should have been held up as an example, as one that survived, but alas this was not to be the case. That's when I took a closer look at the church and the contradictions it indoctrinates it members with and decided to walk away from the madness. My child is a happy and healthy adult now, and I have no regrets. But that was MY choice to make. God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes - 'Cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose

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Jan-25-13 10:25 AM

Zenrfanklib - I don't know what church you belonged to at the time, but I do know that my Catholic church was not supportive at all. My siblings, who are older than me, tell me that if anyone got pregnant, they had to go to the Public school & were not welcome at the Catholic school. I witnessed that, also. Pregnant girls have been able to finish their education in their Catholic schools for many years now, but, some who experienced it were still put to shame.

I have a friend whose daughter went to MVL in its early years. She got pregnant & had to go to all the classrooms & publically apologize to all the students. Another friend's daughter had to apologize in front of her church (Lutheran) congregation.

I commend you for making the choice you did & for standing proud. The only ones who should feel shame are those who put you down. For those of you who are going to disagree, you are in denial because these things happened.

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Jan-25-13 2:21 PM

I've heard of MVL publicly shaming their pregnant students before, as well. Yes, the student made poor choices, but public humiliation in a case like that is just wrong on so many levels. That doesn't sound like what I would expect to come from a "Christian" school.

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Jan-25-13 5:50 PM

I agree, EaglesFan. Christian schools aren't always so Christian. My gut feeling tells me that this lady's experience happened in a Catholic school, but no matter where it happened, it was wrong.

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Jan-26-13 10:44 AM

The reason we have private schools is so that parents can have their children taught according to their own particular religious beliefs. This includes the manner in which a young person is disciplined when he or she falls into sin. No one is forced to send their children there. If they do not agree with the method of discipline, they are free to attend school elsewhere.

Also, I wonder if someone would explain to me how the practice that was mentioned earlier is acting in an "unchristian" manner.

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Jan-26-13 1:20 PM

Michael - Are you referring to my Catholic school forcing pregnant girls to go to the Public school because they were no longer welcome? If so, there is nothing Christian about that, & if there is, please enlighten me. Or........

Are you referring to schools & churches (Catholic & Lutheran & others)) subjecting pregnant girls to public humiliation? There is nothing Christian about shaming & degrading someone in front of her peers. If there is, please enlighten me on that, also.

The young lady who bravely shared her experience was abandoned by her church community. Enlighten me, also, on how that is Christian.

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Jan-26-13 1:31 PM

GrandmaD: Your characterization of the situation is from a worldly perspective. From a worldly perspective, asking a young woman who has sinned and whose sin is made obvious and public to publicly acknowledge the sinfulness of her action, thus informing brothers and sisters that she is not living in unrepentant sin, is "public humiliation."

But spiritual leaders in the church are not coming from a worldly perspective. They are interested in the spiritual welfare of one who has fallen into sin and of those who may be influenced to follow her example. Her sin is offensive in the scriptural sense, that is, it may lead others into sin and become a stumbling-block for their faith. If spiritual leaders in the church act as though these things are nothing, they have become worldly. They have allowed the world's judgment of such things to make them stop looking at things from the perspective of what is good for that individual's eternal welfare.


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Jan-26-13 1:32 PM


There are many Christian church bodies today that have set aside what the Bible teaches about church discipline. They have surrendered to the worldly view of what is "Christian." In doing so, they have contributed to the moral decay that surrounds us in our country.

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Jan-26-13 1:43 PM

With regard to my previous comments, please do not take them as a blanket approval of all that is done in the name of church discipline. Whenever a case such as is being discussed here comes up, it must be treated in such a way that it is clear to all that the chief concern of the church is the spiritual welfare of all involved, with the love of Christ being the motivating force for all that is said and done.

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Jan-26-13 6:14 PM

The love of my Christ is my motivating force to embrace & treat young pregnant girls with dignity & respect. I will never believe that I am contributing to the moral decay that surrounds us in our country by doing so.

I'm hoping that schools/churches refrain from such practices nowadays, or should I say I'm hoping they have surrendered to the worldly view of what Christian is. If schools/churches do still engage in such practices, I guess it is their business. I still agree with EaglesFan that it is wrong on all levels.

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Jan-26-13 6:18 PM

I'm referring to the demeaning practices mentioned earlier...public apologies, etc.

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Jan-26-13 8:45 PM

Michael, their suicides can be on your conscience then.

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Jan-26-13 8:51 PM

The Christian thing to to is for one or two people to sit down with the person that they are concerned about and talk with them about how their unrepentant sins are dangerous for their soul. They should do this in a loving way, with concern and compassion. If the person serves a public position, such as a pastor, it may be necessary for a public apology, but I can't think of any time when it is appropriate to parade a young girl in front of her peers and have her publicly apologize for her sins. That can be done with a smaller group.

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Jan-26-13 9:07 PM

GopherState - Very well stated. That is how it should be handled. That is the true Christian way.

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Jan-26-13 10:18 PM

1 Timothy 5:20 - "Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear."

Was the apostle Paul, who wrote these words under the inspiration of God, not a Christian?

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